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Thursday, 13 Mar 2025
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I believe most Americans are scared of how the program would be run and the quality of the care.
Well, it is more like paying 5k instead of 8k but god Damn it , I’m not sure how people are so against it.
The thing I hope people realise is, is having universal healthcare means private insurance is still available, of course, but it also makes your private insurance much cheaper too.
Costs a comparable european country (income wise) about 2k a year to go private for a family of 4 , believe it or not
I once spent 30 minutes trying to explain to a naval operations officer that I can’t monitor 7 frequencies on 6 radios (they didn’t have a scan function). This man was in line to command a warship and couldn’t grasp that 7 is bigger than 6.
Rephrase it to “switching to Universal Healthcare will add $6,000 in your pocket”
Edit: you’re to your, i was auto-wronged
Welcome to America-where Wendy’s had to discontinue the 1/3 lb burger because Americans thought it was smaller then a 1/4 lb burger
The problem is the $8 is mostly hidden from the consumer, who thinks their employer covers this for free. So the consumer doesn’t realize the $8 is being paid by them after all, and just sees the $2 as an additional cost.
I think current events have proven how dumb a significant portion of Americans are.
A healthy 23 year old paying 50$ a month in premiums is going to say no.
And it’s not 2000$ that’s grossly under estimated. In reality, it’s 15-20% of your salary.
I pay more like $600 per year for the policy (employer pays the rest) then maybe a couple hundred in co pays, but my employer also gives me a free 1.5k in HSA if i get a physical, so I’m really paying very little
Haha. We pay more than 2k in Medicare tax to cover 60 million Americans. So we can cover the remaining 270 million for less than that?
Why am I suspicious.
Stop with the woke mathematics. People don’t need to be bringing their radical left wing counting abilities into the conversation.
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People immediately think “communism” when you say “healthcare for all”
I’m all for single payer but this is wrong Eliminating insurance doesn’t magically make healthcare cost 1/4th as much, that’s silly. Maybe it will be 20% cheaper. Maybe you distribute the costs differently (i.e. a re-distributive tax in the form of single payer). But it’s still going to be expensive AF because the costs are what they are.
If it were that simple, Americans would have it.
But they’ve been fed the lies that ‘undesirables’ are taking their jobs/healthcare/daughters and will gladly die and pay more to do so as long as they can spite the so-called illegal/welfare queen/lib to do so….
This reminds me of when the A&W Root beer chain decided to make a 1/3 pound burger to compete against the 1/4 pounder ….
You’re kidding right? Americans refused to believe the 1/3 pound whopper was bigger than the 1/4 pounder because 4 was 1 more than 3. True story.
The real reason we don’t have it yet is because the money changers won’t allow this. They have too many hands in the pot and use that to justify themselves. It’s the administrators that are the problem, and always will be.
Healthcare owner here. Insurances are the worst system ever created. You don’t see Doctors having their names on stadiums do you?
It’s all smoke and mirrors, as most of the premiums go toward admin costs and profit, and NOT into healthcare. In fact UHC could pay all of their customers medical bill, all of it, and STILL HAVE A 17 BILLION DOLLAR YEARLY PROFIT.
Remove the admin layer and the profit layer and viola, we can all be healthy at a reasonable cost.
We don’t have healthcare, we have sickcare, and a bunch of really rich people who do nothing but tell people how to NOT pay for the things they promised they would pay for so they can keep getting richer while you die.
The idea that this would work is patently absurd. It ignores the basic understanding of healthcare economics.
Pretend all things are the same for a moment. All supplies and devices cost the same as they do in the EU.
What about the primary expense? Labor.
Labor prices in the US are universally 2-3x what they are in Europe. Look at the median income in EU nations. Look at what nurses get paid in the UK, France, or Germany. Look at what physicians get paid. Hell, look at what janitors get paid.
Labor is the single primary driver of healthcare expenses. So, if we are spending 3x the price as the EU peer, that immediately drops to 2x (if not less) when you adjust for labor. That is, unless you are going to dramatically chop wages in that arena as well.
We have to understand this in the US:
Things aren’t the way they are because it’s the will of the people.
Things are the way they are because we are not ruled by the will of the people.
There is a really entrenched healthcare industry who has hoarded *our money* and will use it to fight tooth and nail against anything that prevents them from continuing to scam us.
Yes, there’s a lot of people who don’t understand the situation, but changing the way things are doesn’t require everyone to be on board. It just needs the people who do understand the issue to fight harder than the wealthy interests who want to keep things the way they are now.
You should see how awful Canada’s healthcare system is up here and you’d quickly realize why it wouldn’t work with a population size as large as America’s
How will it be $2000? If every American pays $2000 in tax then we reduce the current spend per person of $13,500 to $2,000.
Who is going to tell doctors, nurses, administrators, orderlies, janitors and everyone else involved they will be taking an 85% pay cut?
Because there are many Americans that don’t pay 8 and also won’t be paying 2. Many will be paying less than 0. Things are not equal or simple.
I’m from one of these other countries and live in one of these other countries y’all talk about so much.
In my home country, a man just died sitting in the waiting area due to an undiagnosed appendicitis and in the other country, my friend was denied an x-ray for her clearly broken finger because it wasn’t worth the costs to the public system, and my friend’s dad had to be driven to the hospital after a heart attack because the ambulances were striking.
As a 25 year-old with no family, I’ve paid £5,915 to the nationalised health system last year (about $7,520) and still only use the private health plan provided by my employer (which I also have to pay taxes on, because they’re benefits).
I don’t think you want to swap with me.
25% of out taxes go to healthcare in Canada.
If you earn 60k, that’s 0.25*20 to 25k in taxes = 5k minimum..
Median family is in 100k range which means youre paying over 8k and the healthcare is objectively worse. No family doctors, long wait times for surgery, specialists etc.
Don’t kid yourselves that the problems will be solved from universal health care. Our country is facing 60B dollar deficits with no end in sight and our dollar collapsing.
nope. most on the right don’t actually care about the cost benefit. they care that someone *might* get something they didn’t “earn”.
lol. good luck.
Let’s do it! VA healthcare for everyone! (Obvious sarcasm)
Those numbers are not accurate. At least the idea is correct. It’s probably closer to $12k in insurance or $6k in taxes.
That’s not true…
Quality health care is going to have a monthly premium of around $500.
Job orientated healthcare is usually $150/mt.
And then there free premium health care such as Medicaid
I lived over 30 years under a socialised medicine system and nearly 10 so far under the US system. The US system is utter dog shit and my personal experience has shown out neither any of the benefits of the insurance model, nor the hazards of the single layer model.
How retarded. Healthcare taxes in countries with universal healthcare are a percentage of income (usually around 60%), not a fixed amount. I’m all for it, but let’s get the facts right.
This is the same America that rejected the 1/3 pounder because they thought it was smaller than 1/4 pounder
If you want universal health care move to Canada and pay their exorbitant taxes. Your math is wrong pay 2000 more in taxes pay 8000 less in insurance premiums get = health care.
P O P U L A T I O N
The numbers don’t make sense.
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Have you heard the geniuses that attend a Trump rally? They couldn’t spell red of you spotted them the r and the e…so they’re quite happy to continue on with their diabetes unabated by some woke nonsense like Universal Healthcare.
Just waited 10 hours to get treated at the emergency room. 😉
You’re talking about the country who thought that Arby’s 1/3 pound burger was smaller than McDonald’s quarter pounder which is why Arby’s pulled it.