it’s impossible to know without knowing how much the weed would be taxed or what is considered “wealth.” That being said, cutting the military budget by 25% alone would allow $212,500,000,000 to be spent on other matters.
elictronic
23 days ago
Weed:
8.5 billion annually. Link below.
Military Budget:
212.55 billion. 850 billion x 25%
Wealth Tax:
I am assuming you are wanting a wealth tax to only target those with significant wealth, not the entire population. 1% of the US population controls 30.8% of the wealth.
1% tax on the top 1% of population. 430 billion per year. 139.4 trillion * 30.8% * 1% per year.
VAT will be wildly inaccurate if you place it only on those companies. Their sales would go down significantly skewing numbers, first year results would be great, but the companies would be eaten alive by competitors. I have no problem with this, but throwing out a number is harder. I still did the numbers for the wealth tax because Elon can go eat rat turds.
1. Legalizing and Taxing Marijuana
โข In 2022, U.S. states with legal cannabis collected around $3 billion in tax revenue.
โข If legalized federally, estimates suggest annual tax revenue could range from $10 billion to $18 billion.
2. Cutting the Military Budget by 25%
โข The U.S. military budget for 2023 was around $858 billion.
โข A 25% reduction would save $214.5 billion.
3. Implementing a 1% Wealth Tax
โข The total net worth of U.S. billionaires is estimated at $5.5 trillion.
โข A 1% wealth tax could generate $55 billion per year.
โข Expanding it to the ultra-rich (e.g., those with $50M+ in assets) could bring in $100 billion+.
4. 10% VAT on Amazon, Walmart, and Facebook Profits
โข Amazon: $33 billion net profit (2023) โ $3.3 billion VAT
โข Walmart: $13.7 billion net profit โ $1.37 billion VAT
โข Meta (Facebook): $39.1 billion net profit โ $3.91 billion VAT
โข Estimated total from these three: ~$8.6 billion.
โข Expanding VAT to all large corporations could raise $100 billion+.
We overspend by like 2 trillion every year under Biden about a trillion excluding pandemic (3.5) under Trump.
This is a start but would not fix the deficit. There are other things we could do. Like eliminate tax loopholes for a wealthy. Impose a proper tax on selling stocks. Impose a tax on borrowing money against stocks. Move from private insurance to universal healthcare
250 billion estimate for taxing capital gains at current income tax rates. (1.6 trillion in profits claimed 320 billion in capital gains tax collected)
Probably another 250 billion for taxing borrowing against stocks.
Big one is universal healthcare.
Switching to a single-payer universal healthcare system (like Medicare for All) would involve major cost shifts. While the government would spend more directly on healthcare, overall national health expenditures could decrease due to administrative savings, lower drug prices, and more bargaining power.
Step 1: Current U.S. Healthcare Spending
โข Total U.S. Healthcare Spending (2022): $4.3 trillion (~$13,000 per person per year)
โข Governmentโs Share of Healthcare Costs:
โข Medicare & Medicaid: $1.6 trillion
โข Veterans Affairs, CHIP, and other programs: $300 billion
โข Federal subsidies for employer-provided insurance (tax breaks): $300 billion
โข Total government spending on healthcare: ~ $2.2 trillion per year
Step 2: Estimated Costs of Universal Healthcare
โข Projected cost of a Medicare for All plan: Estimates range from $2.5 trillion to $3.5 trillion per year, depending on coverage details.
โข Projected Savings:
โข Administrative costs: U.S. private insurance administrative costs are ~15-20%, while Medicareโs admin costs are ~2%. Savings: $200-$300 billion/year.
โข Lower drug prices: Government bargaining power could reduce drug costs by $100-$200 billion/year.
โข Lower hospital and provider costs: Centralized billing could save another $100-$200 billion/year.
Step 3: Net Government Savings
โข Eliminating Private Insurance Costs: Businesses and individuals currently spend ~$1.2 trillion/year on premiums. If replaced with a tax-based system, these costs shift.
โข Net savings estimate: Studies (e.g., from PERI, Lancet) estimate that universal healthcare could save $450 billion to $600 billion per year nationwide while covering everyone.
โข Government Spending Impact: If a $3 trillion system replaces $2.2 trillion in existing spending, the government would need ~$800 billion more in taxes, but individuals and businesses would save far more than that in premiums and out-of-pocket costs.
Final Estimate:
A universal healthcare system could save the U.S. about $450Bโ$600B per year in total national spending, though the federal government would take on a bigger financial role.
These would make up the deficit and we would have a balanced budget easily. If we increased taxes on the rich a little more we could even pay down the deficit.
dgafhomie383
23 days ago
And who gets to decide what “helping people” is? This is always the problem. Do most people want everyone else to have all the food they need and be healthy? Yes. Do most people get pissed and vote against these things as soon as they ALWAYS start going to fringe BS? Also yes.
Tom_Bombadil_1
23 days ago
This is always so fucking dumb.
We absolutely should legalise weed, but a tax on it would raise trivial sums.
Cut the military budget by 25% and youโd make millions of people unemployed. Thatโs not money going on a rocket into the sun. Does that count as helping people? Especially now both Russia and China are looking likely to use any western weakness to literally wage imperial wars if conquest.
A 10% VAT on just a handful of companies would just fuck the incentives in the market. Amazon would suddenly be a facilitation and website software provider to a bunch of conveniently not Amazon companies, all aggregated into a website called shamazon.
Plus VAT isnโt a tax on the corporation, itโs a tax on consumers, and itโs a very regressive tax. VAT is one of the worst taxes economically for harming consumer buying power (aka making poor people poorer).
A 1% wealth tax would raise staggering sums of money, but would again have a big impact on the everyday folks. If itโs a 1% wealth tax over a certain level, eg a few million, it will raise far less and still create big distortions. Iโm actually in favour of this, but letโs not pretend this isnโt politically and operationally difficult. A 10k a year tax on some old dear in a small house that just happens to be in a nice neighbourhood, which the media discovers is getting taxed more than the rich who can offshore their wealth isnโt a good look.
HurrySpecial
23 days ago
Nothing – it would just allow politicians more money to feed themselves and their friends.
You need some kind of agency that is dedicated in finding fraud, exposing waste, and ending abuse…….
Dizzy-Employment7546
23 days ago
A VAT (Valued Added Tax) also known as GST, Goods and Services Tax, is not a tax on corporations, it is tax paid by consumers. If a business pays VAT on something it buys, or imports, it gets refunded the exact same amount, but in turn, it must add the tax to its invoices. The tax then rolls through the chain of transactions like a growing snowball (this is the “value added” bit), until it arrives at a participants who can’t claim anything back (consumers), who therefore end up paying the tax.
A VAT is also known as a Goods and Services tax, and should be charged on everything, movie tickets, hair cuts, food, that’s why it is a “good tax” (it doesn’t cause distortion by advantaging services over goods, and considering how much services dominate the modern advanced economy, this is one of its advantages). It is usually accompanied by reductions in other taxes, designed to compensate low income earners who now pay more tax (but such compensation measures are crude). In the US this could be higher tax credits, I guess. In Australia, state sales taxes and wholesale taxes and duties on many transactions were removed at the same time as the GST was introduced. So it’s a massive tax reform effort. With the number of workers declining in a aging population, GST relieves pressure on income tax to do all the work. It also avoids punishing goods vs intangible services. A tax only on physical goods is anti manufacturing.
But a VAT charged only on certain companies will be like a tariff, where the selected entities are treated like undesirable foreign countries. It would subsidise other companies. and consumers would change to other companies. It would harm profits and therefore tax at the companies concerned, but it would boost the profit and tax other non targeted companies. Any net tax gain would be a direct result of consumer price increases and it is clearly inflationary (one time, when it is launched, but the inflationary effects don’t come back). It’s worse than doing nothing. A selective VAT is both ignorant and a remarkably stupid idea and doesn’t say much for the expertise of the person who made these comments.
VATs are good taxes, but this guy has no clues. He probably means something like an extra sales tax.
MoonSalt92
23 days ago
Nothingโฆ those are just populist ideas.
A wealth tax? A VAT on corporations? The U.S. has a deeply entrenched lobbying system that makes such policies nearly impossible to implement. And even if they somehow passed, the wealthy would simply restructure their assets, exploit loopholes, or move their capital offshore. The end result? Minimal revenue gains and unintended economic distortions, while the middle class and small businesses bear the brunt of the impact.
Mammoth-Professor557
23 days ago
Conversations about raising taxes before we can even figure out what it costs to run the government with even ALITTLE efficiency is insane to me.
PastaRunner
22 days ago
Not gonna put a to of energy into this but for a rough idea
1. 1% wealth tax is somewhere in the $1 Trillion/year range depending on the details.
1. Top 1% hold ~48 Trillion in assets, extrapolating to roughly 100 Trillion for the top 20%.
2. A 10% VAT on the top 500 companies in America is around ~0.17 Trillion/year
1. Fortune 500 companies share a profit of 1.7 Trillion annually.
3. Military budget is $820 Billion. So a 25% cut would be $205 Billion annually.
4. Hard to predict the Weed industry. But it would mostly cannibalize the liquor industry, so it probably wouldn’t generate as much revenue as people think. Assume it *adds* (not takes) 1% of the liquor industry and we implement a 50% sin tax, and you’re looking at about 0.2 Billion (a pessimistic underestimate, but more reasonable than most IMO)
1. Annual liquor sales in the US are about $37.7 billion
For reference, the annual US Deficit last year was 1.4 Trillion. So these ideas combined would roughly wash out the US deficit. There would be massive unpredictable fallout from any of these idea but potentially a net positive, idk. I know it’s better than shifting the weight to the bottom 80%
Glum_Cheesecake9859
22 days ago
* 25% of Military budget is only $200B, I think 50% can be cut, because our military spends more than all other countries combined.
* 1% wealth tax would generate another $200B-$300B
* 10% VAT is just more sales tax. It would hurt consumers.
Here’s what I would do:
* Start putting a 100% to 300% sales tax on all processed food, with highest on sugary drinks and deserts and lowest rate on processed food including fast food. That tax revenue would be provide universal healthcare premiums. A reduction in consumption will prevent diabetes and other health care scenarios reducing a burden on our system. Make food like fruits, vegetables, dairy, grains, beans etc. tax free too, so people can start cooking at home.
* Corporations need to slowing start paying more taxes than the current levels all the way up to 28%.
* Ban all investing in single family homes, if you don’t live in the home more than 9months a year, you pay very high property tax to prevent you from renting it. You can invest in multifamily / apartments etc.
* Reform the patent system. Reduce all healthcare/drug patent lifetimes from 20 years to 10.
This is a good start.
Sizeablegrapefruits
22 days ago
Close the carried interest loophole.
Raise the long term capital gains tax to 25%
Institute a 3% national sales tax on finished goods
Institute a separate additional 3% luxury goods sales tax on specific goods like sports cars and yachts.
Reduce defense spending by 25% spread out over 3 years.
Eliminate all duplicate SSN payments for social security and audit to eliminate payments for those who are deceased.
Regulate sugar and high fructose corn syrup to reduce diabetes and other lifestyle diseases to save billions annually with Medicaid and Medicare.
Eliminate the income tax on all ordinary income below $250k, eliminate long term capital gains taxes on all capital gains below $50k for individuals making less than $250k, eliminate the payroll tax.
Take interest rate policy from the Federal Reserve and allow markets to determine rates along the entire rate curve.
FarmerAccount
23 days ago
Actually it is possible to know. Check out what happened in Canada.
We got a bit of tax money but much of that was lost to trying to regulate the industry. Plus with so much control and regulation most people just stick to their old dealer so there wasnโt nearly the volume they estimated. Then a bunch of the companies went broke.
Overall in Canada itโs been a failure.
EndlessExploration
23 days ago
There’s one basic problem with “helping people”.
If those who aren’t producing can demand money from those who are, everyone is going to stop producing.
The best way to help people is to stop screwing with the economy. When people can get paid for their own work, they don’t need incalculable “help”.
Super-Soyuz
23 days ago
The funny thing is that the american government already spends like 15% of it’s expenditure on it’s weird fucked up healthcare system
it’s more then the military share btw !
jstar_2021
23 days ago
Look at states that have legalized weed: it starts out great, but after a few years the market adjusts to the reality that weed is a super easy product to produce. Prices race to the bottom, dispensaries close, and the tax revenue turns out to be a disappointment.
Laku212
23 days ago
I don’t imagine anyone in the world would shed a tear for richest few thousand people on the planet, but realistically 1% wealth tax would be really difficult to pay when your net worth is tied up in stocks in companies that don’t pay a dividend. Where would the cash actually come from? Would the banks loan out hundreds of billions of dollars every year for taxes?
bluesgrrlk8
22 days ago
Just so you know whenever they cut the military budget it is cutting pay and benefits, those bajillion dollar defense contracts arenโt going anywhere
Excellent-Spend9283
22 days ago
In 2023,18%of the federal budget, or $1.101 trillion, went to welfare programs. This includes programs like Medicaid, Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), and the Supplemental Security Income (SSI)
dvdmaven
22 days ago
The market for weed is way smaller than the stoners like to imagine. In Oregon over the first eight years, the total sales were under $7 billion (annual sales $ have been declining). The tax rate is 17%. That’s about $150 million a year or $40 per person.
Careless-Focus-947
22 days ago
The problem is not govt collecting enough money. The problem is govt spending too much money. 33 Trillion in debt. Is that sustainable?
extremefurryslayer
22 days ago
As others have pointed out, the military budget is easily calculable, but the other taxes arenโt as easy to calculate because we donโt know how those taxes will affect the profits of those industries.
revesofwers
22 days ago
Iโd love to pay a VAT style tax and have a country that supported its citizens with universal healthcare, paid paternity leave, free college and grad school, and fair pensions and vacation time. Whether I pay 4K on a sweater or 4.2k on a sweater. The difference is meaningless to me and Iโd like to contribute to shared quality of life increases.
Iโd also like stronger border protection and a discussion about the importance of assimilation to immigration.
troycalm
22 days ago
So let me understand this.
We have a Fed Govt with unlimited money and resources, they still canโt fix the homelessness, hunger, and healthcare problems, but you want a handful of the richest private citizens to fix everything? Fuck you people are simple.
SpecialCandidateDog
22 days ago
Not enough
The problem is the spending has gotten so out of control that even simple things like that wouldn’t touch what we’re doing.
The only way you’re in making over that matters is by cutting the entire government by at least one percent a year over the next ten years.
mf1609
22 days ago
People think if we add all these taxes, the government wouldnโt just immediately spend it. (They would, and it would be on stupid shit)
Vermilion
22 days ago
My biggest problem with this posting here on Reddit is that *Twitter-length messages are Twitter-length message shit*. It’s a complex topic and the very media environment of tiny little solutions to massively complex problems is the root of why were are where we are in 2025.
“It means misleading information–misplace, irrelevant, fragmented or superficial information–information that creates the illusion of knowing something but which in fact leads one away from knowing. In saying this, I do not mean to imply that television news deliberately aims to deprive Americans of a coherent, contextual understanding of their world. I mean to say that **when news is packaged as entertainment, that is the inevitable result.”** โ Neil Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death: Public Discourse in the Age of Show Business, 1985
DrunkCommunist619
22 days ago
Cutting military budget by 25% is 200 billion
I keep getting different answers for a 10% VAT. Although the ballpark is ~300 billion. Keep in mind that this is just an inefficient way to tax consumers.
The 1% wealth tax would likely only raise a couple dozen billion. Due to the super wealthy just moving their companies abroad and not paying the tax.
The issue with all of the above is that it doesn’t solve the fundamental issue in government spending. Namely that that just 6 government programs spend more than what the federal government brings in income taxes every year.
Otherwise-Clue8645
22 days ago
Helping people means people living longer, meaning more overpopulation. Canโt have that. Not enough resources, down the line. Slowly being killed off for a โbetterโ future. B.G. Approves
General_Iroh_0817
22 days ago
Sorry for the question, but how many people need to be helped? How do you intend to help them? How much money needs to be given to help them?
Imaginary_Poet_8946
22 days ago
Entirely depends. Especially because when it comes to taxes. The government can only say how hard the hammer falls. They don’t get to say where it lands.
An example. Let’s say that Jeff and Elon, the two richest men on the planet, get taxed at 25% of their net wealth. Instead of going off taxable income like everyone else. They could just as easily flip the script and now it’s the Amazon and Tesla employees paying that tax, or us customers paying that tax.
The_Skippy73
22 days ago
The US spends 3-4 trillion a year on Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, and other income security programs. That is most of the budget.
Also one of the largest military spends is on people and benefits.
HarkonnenSpice
22 days ago
I live in a place where they legalized weed and taxed it and they we have a few massive multimillion dollar recreation centers and a bunch of other critical projects that actually give back to the community to thank for it.
It’s amazing what tax money can do when it’s actually invested into the communities people live in. If this isn’t happening in your community you are getting robbed.
Semour9
22 days ago
“Legalize weed and tax it”
I love how this guy just assumes the government will immediately start raking in dough from this. This happened in Canada and many people stayed with their regular dealers who were growing it themselves.
p0nder0sa_
22 days ago
A VAT would not work for any retailers like Amazon. A VAT is literally a value-added tax… To be subject to it, you would have to add economic value to a product. Retailers do not do that. Only manufacturing does this. A tax on the price of something that’s merely sold by a retailer would be a de facto sales tax.
DD214AKITA
22 days ago
Agree.
Disagree.
Need more details
And Soooo ……..go after grocery stores and web markets, not the ones who actually profited from the pandemic like Pfizer ? Or literally any pharmaceutical company. Cuz ….ya know ……gotta protect them huh?
_Batteries_
22 days ago
Fun fact: in the aftermath of WW2 the top marginal tax rate was 90%
NINETY
and yet, we still had millionaires. Even a billionaire. We had publicly funded services. We had decent wages.
Yes, on social issues we were fucking terrible, but those are a completely seperate issue. Despite what some would have you believe, treating fellow human beings with respect, dignity, and an automatic assumption that they mean well, does not kill the economy.
Living standards have been falling steadily since the 80’s.
Wealth inequality has soared.
That is the biggest problem.
Everything else will never get better until that does.
1% wealth tax. More. Much, much more.ย
RUOFFURTROLLEH
22 days ago
Think of those poor corporations.
How will they survive losing 1% of their billions in profits each year?
Do you expect them to have to downsize to 4 yachts instead of 5?
Literally_1984x
22 days ago
Tax large for profit religious organizations also. Flat tax of 12% for everyone, including corporations, no loop holesโฆwould generate way more money btw.
Touquey
22 days ago
If it was privatised, probably a lot. The government of Ontario lost almost 100 million dollars in the first year of legalisation. They were the sole legal supplier in the province, and in predictable form, did it in such a way that they lost money rather than made money.
PM-ME-UR-uwu
22 days ago
A 4% wealth tax on income on net assets over 125k excluding retirement accounts would at a minimum replace income tax and balance the budget.
This would do a lot.
quantrellian
22 days ago
As a member of the military community, I know they will just cut programs that help families and servicemembers and not cut back on useless defense spending ๐
AlexCoventry
22 days ago
It’s a simplistic proposal. What does a wealth tax look like? If you found a public corporation, and the shares constitute a significant fraction of your wealth, are you obliged to sell 1% of your shares a year to pay the tax? What’s the economic impact of that going to be?
IGargleGarlic
22 days ago
Even more important is to fix America’s healthcare system. We spend 5x more on healthcare than military and the most per capita of any country, and yet our healthcare system is still a broken mess.
the real waste is in healthcare spending.
Acceptable-Ticket743
22 days ago
Only 25% is not enough. Our defense budget is like a trillion dollars, there is no damn way that we can’t just cut that down to a 100 billion and throw the rest of the money into social services and infrastructure. The government already uses a lot of that money to illegally spy on its citizens. The quality of life and safety of the average American citizen would not even be affected by gutting the military spending budget. When the pentagon starts passing audits, then maybe we can give them a SMALL raise, but until then they need to get their funding gutted.
Electrodactyl
22 days ago
Remove taxes and tell people if they arenโt saving enough they should move some where less expensive. Making society better when there is a community of only productive people.
Queasy_Disaster_5572
22 days ago
I would just say if you make over 100 million you get a 10% tax on everything including shocks and other billion bullshit workaround if your buying stock you have to pay the tax or else the government is legally allowed to take your stocks and sell them, your no longer allows to claim tax writeoffs if you make over 100 million and yes we should put like a flat tax on everyone over 500 million that’s like 50% OR something like in the older days when taxes were 99% after 200k
it’s impossible to know without knowing how much the weed would be taxed or what is considered “wealth.” That being said, cutting the military budget by 25% alone would allow $212,500,000,000 to be spent on other matters.
Weed:
8.5 billion annually. Link below.
Military Budget:
212.55 billion. 850 billion x 25%
Wealth Tax:
I am assuming you are wanting a wealth tax to only target those with significant wealth, not the entire population. 1% of the US population controls 30.8% of the wealth.
1% tax on the top 1% of population. 430 billion per year. 139.4 trillion * 30.8% * 1% per year.
VAT will be wildly inaccurate if you place it only on those companies. Their sales would go down significantly skewing numbers, first year results would be great, but the companies would be eaten alive by competitors. I have no problem with this, but throwing out a number is harder. I still did the numbers for the wealth tax because Elon can go eat rat turds.
[https://taxfoundation.org/research/all/state/cannabis-tax-revenue-reform/?utm_source=chatgpt.com](https://taxfoundation.org/research/all/state/cannabis-tax-revenue-reform/?utm_source=chatgpt.com)
1. Legalizing and Taxing Marijuana
โข In 2022, U.S. states with legal cannabis collected around $3 billion in tax revenue.
โข If legalized federally, estimates suggest annual tax revenue could range from $10 billion to $18 billion.
2. Cutting the Military Budget by 25%
โข The U.S. military budget for 2023 was around $858 billion.
โข A 25% reduction would save $214.5 billion.
3. Implementing a 1% Wealth Tax
โข The total net worth of U.S. billionaires is estimated at $5.5 trillion.
โข A 1% wealth tax could generate $55 billion per year.
โข Expanding it to the ultra-rich (e.g., those with $50M+ in assets) could bring in $100 billion+.
4. 10% VAT on Amazon, Walmart, and Facebook Profits
โข Amazon: $33 billion net profit (2023) โ $3.3 billion VAT
โข Walmart: $13.7 billion net profit โ $1.37 billion VAT
โข Meta (Facebook): $39.1 billion net profit โ $3.91 billion VAT
โข Estimated total from these three: ~$8.6 billion.
โข Expanding VAT to all large corporations could raise $100 billion+.
Total Estimated Annual Revenue:
โข $10Bโ$18B (Cannabis Tax)
โข $214.5B (Military Cut Savings)
โข $55Bโ$100B+ (Wealth Tax)
โข $8.6Bโ$100B+ (VAT on Corporations)
Grand Total Estimate:
$288 billion to $432 billion+ per year
We overspend by like 2 trillion every year under Biden about a trillion excluding pandemic (3.5) under Trump.
This is a start but would not fix the deficit. There are other things we could do. Like eliminate tax loopholes for a wealthy. Impose a proper tax on selling stocks. Impose a tax on borrowing money against stocks. Move from private insurance to universal healthcare
250 billion estimate for taxing capital gains at current income tax rates. (1.6 trillion in profits claimed 320 billion in capital gains tax collected)
Probably another 250 billion for taxing borrowing against stocks.
Big one is universal healthcare.
Switching to a single-payer universal healthcare system (like Medicare for All) would involve major cost shifts. While the government would spend more directly on healthcare, overall national health expenditures could decrease due to administrative savings, lower drug prices, and more bargaining power.
Step 1: Current U.S. Healthcare Spending
โข Total U.S. Healthcare Spending (2022): $4.3 trillion (~$13,000 per person per year)
โข Governmentโs Share of Healthcare Costs:
โข Medicare & Medicaid: $1.6 trillion
โข Veterans Affairs, CHIP, and other programs: $300 billion
โข Federal subsidies for employer-provided insurance (tax breaks): $300 billion
โข Total government spending on healthcare: ~ $2.2 trillion per year
Step 2: Estimated Costs of Universal Healthcare
โข Projected cost of a Medicare for All plan: Estimates range from $2.5 trillion to $3.5 trillion per year, depending on coverage details.
โข Projected Savings:
โข Administrative costs: U.S. private insurance administrative costs are ~15-20%, while Medicareโs admin costs are ~2%. Savings: $200-$300 billion/year.
โข Lower drug prices: Government bargaining power could reduce drug costs by $100-$200 billion/year.
โข Lower hospital and provider costs: Centralized billing could save another $100-$200 billion/year.
Step 3: Net Government Savings
โข Eliminating Private Insurance Costs: Businesses and individuals currently spend ~$1.2 trillion/year on premiums. If replaced with a tax-based system, these costs shift.
โข Net savings estimate: Studies (e.g., from PERI, Lancet) estimate that universal healthcare could save $450 billion to $600 billion per year nationwide while covering everyone.
โข Government Spending Impact: If a $3 trillion system replaces $2.2 trillion in existing spending, the government would need ~$800 billion more in taxes, but individuals and businesses would save far more than that in premiums and out-of-pocket costs.
Final Estimate:
A universal healthcare system could save the U.S. about $450Bโ$600B per year in total national spending, though the federal government would take on a bigger financial role.
These would make up the deficit and we would have a balanced budget easily. If we increased taxes on the rich a little more we could even pay down the deficit.
And who gets to decide what “helping people” is? This is always the problem. Do most people want everyone else to have all the food they need and be healthy? Yes. Do most people get pissed and vote against these things as soon as they ALWAYS start going to fringe BS? Also yes.
This is always so fucking dumb.
We absolutely should legalise weed, but a tax on it would raise trivial sums.
Cut the military budget by 25% and youโd make millions of people unemployed. Thatโs not money going on a rocket into the sun. Does that count as helping people? Especially now both Russia and China are looking likely to use any western weakness to literally wage imperial wars if conquest.
A 10% VAT on just a handful of companies would just fuck the incentives in the market. Amazon would suddenly be a facilitation and website software provider to a bunch of conveniently not Amazon companies, all aggregated into a website called shamazon.
Plus VAT isnโt a tax on the corporation, itโs a tax on consumers, and itโs a very regressive tax. VAT is one of the worst taxes economically for harming consumer buying power (aka making poor people poorer).
A 1% wealth tax would raise staggering sums of money, but would again have a big impact on the everyday folks. If itโs a 1% wealth tax over a certain level, eg a few million, it will raise far less and still create big distortions. Iโm actually in favour of this, but letโs not pretend this isnโt politically and operationally difficult. A 10k a year tax on some old dear in a small house that just happens to be in a nice neighbourhood, which the media discovers is getting taxed more than the rich who can offshore their wealth isnโt a good look.
Nothing – it would just allow politicians more money to feed themselves and their friends.
You need some kind of agency that is dedicated in finding fraud, exposing waste, and ending abuse…….
A VAT (Valued Added Tax) also known as GST, Goods and Services Tax, is not a tax on corporations, it is tax paid by consumers. If a business pays VAT on something it buys, or imports, it gets refunded the exact same amount, but in turn, it must add the tax to its invoices. The tax then rolls through the chain of transactions like a growing snowball (this is the “value added” bit), until it arrives at a participants who can’t claim anything back (consumers), who therefore end up paying the tax.
A VAT is also known as a Goods and Services tax, and should be charged on everything, movie tickets, hair cuts, food, that’s why it is a “good tax” (it doesn’t cause distortion by advantaging services over goods, and considering how much services dominate the modern advanced economy, this is one of its advantages). It is usually accompanied by reductions in other taxes, designed to compensate low income earners who now pay more tax (but such compensation measures are crude). In the US this could be higher tax credits, I guess. In Australia, state sales taxes and wholesale taxes and duties on many transactions were removed at the same time as the GST was introduced. So it’s a massive tax reform effort. With the number of workers declining in a aging population, GST relieves pressure on income tax to do all the work. It also avoids punishing goods vs intangible services. A tax only on physical goods is anti manufacturing.
But a VAT charged only on certain companies will be like a tariff, where the selected entities are treated like undesirable foreign countries. It would subsidise other companies. and consumers would change to other companies. It would harm profits and therefore tax at the companies concerned, but it would boost the profit and tax other non targeted companies. Any net tax gain would be a direct result of consumer price increases and it is clearly inflationary (one time, when it is launched, but the inflationary effects don’t come back). It’s worse than doing nothing. A selective VAT is both ignorant and a remarkably stupid idea and doesn’t say much for the expertise of the person who made these comments.
VATs are good taxes, but this guy has no clues. He probably means something like an extra sales tax.
Nothingโฆ those are just populist ideas.
A wealth tax? A VAT on corporations? The U.S. has a deeply entrenched lobbying system that makes such policies nearly impossible to implement. And even if they somehow passed, the wealthy would simply restructure their assets, exploit loopholes, or move their capital offshore. The end result? Minimal revenue gains and unintended economic distortions, while the middle class and small businesses bear the brunt of the impact.
Conversations about raising taxes before we can even figure out what it costs to run the government with even ALITTLE efficiency is insane to me.
Not gonna put a to of energy into this but for a rough idea
1. 1% wealth tax is somewhere in the $1 Trillion/year range depending on the details.
1. Top 1% hold ~48 Trillion in assets, extrapolating to roughly 100 Trillion for the top 20%.
2. A 10% VAT on the top 500 companies in America is around ~0.17 Trillion/year
1. Fortune 500 companies share a profit of 1.7 Trillion annually.
3. Military budget is $820 Billion. So a 25% cut would be $205 Billion annually.
4. Hard to predict the Weed industry. But it would mostly cannibalize the liquor industry, so it probably wouldn’t generate as much revenue as people think. Assume it *adds* (not takes) 1% of the liquor industry and we implement a 50% sin tax, and you’re looking at about 0.2 Billion (a pessimistic underestimate, but more reasonable than most IMO)
1. Annual liquor sales in the US are about $37.7 billion
For reference, the annual US Deficit last year was 1.4 Trillion. So these ideas combined would roughly wash out the US deficit. There would be massive unpredictable fallout from any of these idea but potentially a net positive, idk. I know it’s better than shifting the weight to the bottom 80%
* 25% of Military budget is only $200B, I think 50% can be cut, because our military spends more than all other countries combined.
* 1% wealth tax would generate another $200B-$300B
* 10% VAT is just more sales tax. It would hurt consumers.
Here’s what I would do:
* Start putting a 100% to 300% sales tax on all processed food, with highest on sugary drinks and deserts and lowest rate on processed food including fast food. That tax revenue would be provide universal healthcare premiums. A reduction in consumption will prevent diabetes and other health care scenarios reducing a burden on our system. Make food like fruits, vegetables, dairy, grains, beans etc. tax free too, so people can start cooking at home.
* Corporations need to slowing start paying more taxes than the current levels all the way up to 28%.
* Ban all investing in single family homes, if you don’t live in the home more than 9months a year, you pay very high property tax to prevent you from renting it. You can invest in multifamily / apartments etc.
* Reform the patent system. Reduce all healthcare/drug patent lifetimes from 20 years to 10.
This is a good start.
Close the carried interest loophole.
Raise the long term capital gains tax to 25%
Institute a 3% national sales tax on finished goods
Institute a separate additional 3% luxury goods sales tax on specific goods like sports cars and yachts.
Reduce defense spending by 25% spread out over 3 years.
Eliminate all duplicate SSN payments for social security and audit to eliminate payments for those who are deceased.
Regulate sugar and high fructose corn syrup to reduce diabetes and other lifestyle diseases to save billions annually with Medicaid and Medicare.
Eliminate the income tax on all ordinary income below $250k, eliminate long term capital gains taxes on all capital gains below $50k for individuals making less than $250k, eliminate the payroll tax.
Take interest rate policy from the Federal Reserve and allow markets to determine rates along the entire rate curve.
Actually it is possible to know. Check out what happened in Canada.
We got a bit of tax money but much of that was lost to trying to regulate the industry. Plus with so much control and regulation most people just stick to their old dealer so there wasnโt nearly the volume they estimated. Then a bunch of the companies went broke.
Overall in Canada itโs been a failure.
There’s one basic problem with “helping people”.
If those who aren’t producing can demand money from those who are, everyone is going to stop producing.
The best way to help people is to stop screwing with the economy. When people can get paid for their own work, they don’t need incalculable “help”.
The funny thing is that the american government already spends like 15% of it’s expenditure on it’s weird fucked up healthcare system
it’s more then the military share btw !
Look at states that have legalized weed: it starts out great, but after a few years the market adjusts to the reality that weed is a super easy product to produce. Prices race to the bottom, dispensaries close, and the tax revenue turns out to be a disappointment.
I don’t imagine anyone in the world would shed a tear for richest few thousand people on the planet, but realistically 1% wealth tax would be really difficult to pay when your net worth is tied up in stocks in companies that don’t pay a dividend. Where would the cash actually come from? Would the banks loan out hundreds of billions of dollars every year for taxes?
Just so you know whenever they cut the military budget it is cutting pay and benefits, those bajillion dollar defense contracts arenโt going anywhere
In 2023,18%of the federal budget, or $1.101 trillion, went to welfare programs. This includes programs like Medicaid, Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), and the Supplemental Security Income (SSI)
The market for weed is way smaller than the stoners like to imagine. In Oregon over the first eight years, the total sales were under $7 billion (annual sales $ have been declining). The tax rate is 17%. That’s about $150 million a year or $40 per person.
The problem is not govt collecting enough money. The problem is govt spending too much money. 33 Trillion in debt. Is that sustainable?
As others have pointed out, the military budget is easily calculable, but the other taxes arenโt as easy to calculate because we donโt know how those taxes will affect the profits of those industries.
Iโd love to pay a VAT style tax and have a country that supported its citizens with universal healthcare, paid paternity leave, free college and grad school, and fair pensions and vacation time. Whether I pay 4K on a sweater or 4.2k on a sweater. The difference is meaningless to me and Iโd like to contribute to shared quality of life increases.
Iโd also like stronger border protection and a discussion about the importance of assimilation to immigration.
So let me understand this.
We have a Fed Govt with unlimited money and resources, they still canโt fix the homelessness, hunger, and healthcare problems, but you want a handful of the richest private citizens to fix everything? Fuck you people are simple.
Not enough
The problem is the spending has gotten so out of control that even simple things like that wouldn’t touch what we’re doing.
The only way you’re in making over that matters is by cutting the entire government by at least one percent a year over the next ten years.
People think if we add all these taxes, the government wouldnโt just immediately spend it. (They would, and it would be on stupid shit)
My biggest problem with this posting here on Reddit is that *Twitter-length messages are Twitter-length message shit*. It’s a complex topic and the very media environment of tiny little solutions to massively complex problems is the root of why were are where we are in 2025.
“It means misleading information–misplace, irrelevant, fragmented or superficial information–information that creates the illusion of knowing something but which in fact leads one away from knowing. In saying this, I do not mean to imply that television news deliberately aims to deprive Americans of a coherent, contextual understanding of their world. I mean to say that **when news is packaged as entertainment, that is the inevitable result.”** โ Neil Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death: Public Discourse in the Age of Show Business, 1985
Cutting military budget by 25% is 200 billion
I keep getting different answers for a 10% VAT. Although the ballpark is ~300 billion. Keep in mind that this is just an inefficient way to tax consumers.
The 1% wealth tax would likely only raise a couple dozen billion. Due to the super wealthy just moving their companies abroad and not paying the tax.
The issue with all of the above is that it doesn’t solve the fundamental issue in government spending. Namely that that just 6 government programs spend more than what the federal government brings in income taxes every year.
Helping people means people living longer, meaning more overpopulation. Canโt have that. Not enough resources, down the line. Slowly being killed off for a โbetterโ future. B.G. Approves
Sorry for the question, but how many people need to be helped? How do you intend to help them? How much money needs to be given to help them?
Entirely depends. Especially because when it comes to taxes. The government can only say how hard the hammer falls. They don’t get to say where it lands.
An example. Let’s say that Jeff and Elon, the two richest men on the planet, get taxed at 25% of their net wealth. Instead of going off taxable income like everyone else. They could just as easily flip the script and now it’s the Amazon and Tesla employees paying that tax, or us customers paying that tax.
The US spends 3-4 trillion a year on Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, and other income security programs. That is most of the budget.
Also one of the largest military spends is on people and benefits.
I live in a place where they legalized weed and taxed it and they we have a few massive multimillion dollar recreation centers and a bunch of other critical projects that actually give back to the community to thank for it.
It’s amazing what tax money can do when it’s actually invested into the communities people live in. If this isn’t happening in your community you are getting robbed.
“Legalize weed and tax it”
I love how this guy just assumes the government will immediately start raking in dough from this. This happened in Canada and many people stayed with their regular dealers who were growing it themselves.
A VAT would not work for any retailers like Amazon. A VAT is literally a value-added tax… To be subject to it, you would have to add economic value to a product. Retailers do not do that. Only manufacturing does this. A tax on the price of something that’s merely sold by a retailer would be a de facto sales tax.
Agree.
Disagree.
Need more details
And Soooo ……..go after grocery stores and web markets, not the ones who actually profited from the pandemic like Pfizer ? Or literally any pharmaceutical company. Cuz ….ya know ……gotta protect them huh?
Fun fact: in the aftermath of WW2 the top marginal tax rate was 90%
NINETY
and yet, we still had millionaires. Even a billionaire. We had publicly funded services. We had decent wages.
Yes, on social issues we were fucking terrible, but those are a completely seperate issue. Despite what some would have you believe, treating fellow human beings with respect, dignity, and an automatic assumption that they mean well, does not kill the economy.
Living standards have been falling steadily since the 80’s.
Wealth inequality has soared.
That is the biggest problem.
Everything else will never get better until that does.
1% wealth tax. More. Much, much more.ย
Think of those poor corporations.
How will they survive losing 1% of their billions in profits each year?
Do you expect them to have to downsize to 4 yachts instead of 5?
Tax large for profit religious organizations also. Flat tax of 12% for everyone, including corporations, no loop holesโฆwould generate way more money btw.
If it was privatised, probably a lot. The government of Ontario lost almost 100 million dollars in the first year of legalisation. They were the sole legal supplier in the province, and in predictable form, did it in such a way that they lost money rather than made money.
A 4% wealth tax on income on net assets over 125k excluding retirement accounts would at a minimum replace income tax and balance the budget.
This would do a lot.
As a member of the military community, I know they will just cut programs that help families and servicemembers and not cut back on useless defense spending ๐
It’s a simplistic proposal. What does a wealth tax look like? If you found a public corporation, and the shares constitute a significant fraction of your wealth, are you obliged to sell 1% of your shares a year to pay the tax? What’s the economic impact of that going to be?
Even more important is to fix America’s healthcare system. We spend 5x more on healthcare than military and the most per capita of any country, and yet our healthcare system is still a broken mess.
the real waste is in healthcare spending.
Only 25% is not enough. Our defense budget is like a trillion dollars, there is no damn way that we can’t just cut that down to a 100 billion and throw the rest of the money into social services and infrastructure. The government already uses a lot of that money to illegally spy on its citizens. The quality of life and safety of the average American citizen would not even be affected by gutting the military spending budget. When the pentagon starts passing audits, then maybe we can give them a SMALL raise, but until then they need to get their funding gutted.
Remove taxes and tell people if they arenโt saving enough they should move some where less expensive. Making society better when there is a community of only productive people.
I would just say if you make over 100 million you get a 10% tax on everything including shocks and other billion bullshit workaround if your buying stock you have to pay the tax or else the government is legally allowed to take your stocks and sell them, your no longer allows to claim tax writeoffs if you make over 100 million and yes we should put like a flat tax on everyone over 500 million that’s like 50% OR something like in the older days when taxes were 99% after 200k