The Main Problem With the Democrats: They are owned and controlled by a billionaire donor class that would rather see them lose to Trump than elect Bernie.
Wednesday, 12 Mar 2025
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Remember the democrats saying Bernie was too old…where’s fuckin Hillary today? Bernie would have taken Trump to the cleaners. But the fucking Democratic Party doesn’t allow independents to vote for a non party candidate in 15 states.
The main issue is that a two party system doesn’t work, because one side is far right and the other side is everyone left of that.
You can’t keep centrists and leftists – of which there are few in the US – and everyone between them happy at once.
Ain’t no lies here
I am asking this question in completely good faith. I love Bernie. I think he is such an asset to us as a whole.
But if a big argument was that Biden was too old and Donald is too old, then how can we argue that Bernie isn’t too old?
Again, I am asking this in good faith. If for some reason we are allowed to hold elections again in 2028, Bernie will be 86 years old. That means he will be 90 when his first 4 years are over. Bernie in 2016 should have been the goal. And it makes me mad that it wasn’t. But I am really, really tired of old people running our country.
The average American age is 40 years old. And we need to get rid of lifetime appointments. And implement term limits.
That’s why we need to ditch the DNC and form a new party – a workers/labor party
Joe Biden didn’t run to beat Trump he ran to beat Bernie
When the vote results were still fresh every voice that demanded a recount was stifled under dem’s self complacency that “nah, the other half of US just hates us, poor us”. Look at Europe, the recount saved Romania from a cultist nutjob for now.
The Tree of Liberty is thirsty
Democrats are going to lose again in 2028 if the BernieBros don’t stop trying to sabotage them at every moment they get lol
Bernie isn’t a democrat. Hard to get the nomination of the party if you’re not a member. This is the only point I’m making. I agree Bernie would be a good President.
I do not agree with this statement.
Bernie Sanders is older than Trump *and* older than Biden. There is a reason he didn’t campaign last year. Even if he won, he’d be almost 90 when his term is up. If he wins in 2028 he will be *over* 90 soon after.
Bernie is not a credible threat anymore.
Sanders was a poor candidate with serious flaws that caused him to have more niche appeal than the candidates that beat him. He showcased a lack of decisive, strategic thinking during his second campaign in particular, and an inability to fix his flaws that is not a hallmark of a good candidate.
Furthermore, the Millennial Socialist movement that he’s affiliated with has had a number of problems. The first being that Sanders would have been 100% reliant on the hopes and prayers that had Sanders won the general election, politicians would follow him in a Trump-Style takeover of the party. Otherwise he would have, at best, been handed a House partially sympathetic to him, and a Senate full of moderates. Beyond that, despite the popularity of the Squad and AOC in particular, less than 1% of the people who voted for Sanders are members of groups like the Democratic Socialists of America, showcasing a concerning lack of organization among Millennial Socialists and an inability to put even the slightest amount of money behind a movement they believe in. Lastly, far too many of his online followers engage in conspiracy theories or excuse-making for his losses, consistently desperate to move the conversation away from the fact that Sanders lost on the ground. They will never have a conversation with you about Sanders lacking appeal for certain demographics of the electorate, it’s always some complaint or issue that influences some unknown number of voters. They will never admit that people just as smart, independent, and capable of casting a vote in their own interest free of outside influence as themselves voted for the more moderate option that more closely aligned with them. It will always be some problem that cost Sanders an unknown number of votes, and that number will never be studied or quantified. The lack of introspection and willingness to learn lessons, in particular learning lessons in appealing to the electorate is one of the most concerning traits of his Millennial socialist supporters as it’s a consistent argument thrown at the moderate Democrats.
The both sides stuff is just not productive when we have a fascist takeover of our government and the only possible path forward without violence is the Democractic Party.
Replace Democrats with Americans.
Democrats actually do things, knew what was coming and replaced a 1 term president with the VP for a race they knew they were losing.
They took out all the stops and failed. It sucks, but the blame isn’t on the folks trying. It’s on the rest of America for working against the Democrats.
Bernie is too old now. He’ll be 91 when he gets out of the White House if elected in 2028
the problem with democratic voters is they wont vote for bernie
I want a Progressive Party. The federal minimum wage has been $7.25 an hour since 2009. Both major parties agree starvation wages and billionaires are fine.
I love Bernie. But the real problem with the Democratic Party is that Bernie is THE ONLY ONE like him. When the party is ALL like him? We might have something.
UK view. The Dems are a corporately owned party who make concessions to their voters. The hierarchy is all based on who can raise the most cash and have the best corporate contacts.
They serve corporations, not people.
The Dems had an ace up their sleeve and said hell no….
The new Dem leader said he’s only taking money from the “good billionaires” now. 🙄🫠
Indeed … we’re looking at people like YOU George Clooney.
we need ranked-choice voting so badly…
The problem in the US is that it has only 2 political parties and it’s not surprising that they are both corrupt.
Lol the billionaires wanted trump to win, there is no they would rather have, this is what they wanted
That’s kinda the main problem with north American politics.
We won’t get a leftist government while money controls it, because the left will inherently reduce profits to help people.
That’s the whole US in a nutshell though.
America needs a socialist party!
Bernie is an independent. He only filed to run as a Democrat because he doesn’t have an official party affiliation. That is his biggest hurdle to get financial backing from the DNC.
His second biggest hurdle is, while he is popular with the workers, your average DNC voter did not vote for him.
I really admire Bernie’s career long consistency, his focus on serving average americans rather than corporate politics, but I also don’t think he is much of a strategic thinker. The change he wants is definitely what is needed in these United States, but it’s not a light switch. You have to swing momentum and go for winnable positions, and not expect a change overnight. Wealth inequality is the biggest challenge to the system of American democracy, and while he is absolutely right about the dangers of it, he sometimes comes across as the old man screaming just to be screaming. Right now his greatest gift to our country will be bringing up people with like minds. Some that lean as far into positions as he does, and others that might be more moderate. We’ve got to break the hold that the capitalists have on the system, but I feel a red faced yelling Bernie turns off more people than it adds to the cause. Not everyone has left the illusion that main stream politics doesn’t work in the interest of the common man. There are plenty of people that don’t believe it can be as bad as Bernie says it can be, because they are insulated.
I hope, that the best thing that can come from this Trump administration is that illusion is shattered. Millions of Federal workers, including Trump voters are living in fear. Millions reliant on social safety nets are feeling the fear of the potential contraction of those safety nets. Millions the benefit from the work of regulatory agencies are not feeling the fear of losing those agencies. I hope the illusion is shattered for the mid terms.
I will never not find it funny that after defeating the guy multiple times, the blue no matter who crowd is *still* getting absolutely livid at anybody who talks about Sanders deserving a shot.
I will also never not find it funny when these same people make the argument that nobody would vote for the guy while at the same time stressing that if you don’t vote for the blue candidate you’re a fascist.
The cognitive dissonance in that disingenuous rhetoric is just, so funny.
If these people aren’t just bad actors, welp, that would explain the sorry state of the party these days, given that means some strain of real Democratic voters are just as moronic as MAGA.
If we ever get out of this authoritarian pickle we need some serious changes in our election process. Ranked choice, term limits in Congress, campaign finance reform, lobbying reform.
Can we elect younger people though please
Bernie is great but uh…yeah let’s get some youth involved please
The democrats play defense for the wealthy the Republicans play offense
Duh?
“The Democrats hate to win” … once you hear that everything makes sense.
Bernie might be a bit old these days. But his ideas aren’t. Main issue is the President (assuming you didn’t bring your own Billionaire to be that president) is grueling. Most young presidents come out grey because of the long hours and stress. I would love if Bernie was an advisor to AOC or one of the hundred other qualified people. Bernie has earned the right after decades of work to be the spokes person, to be the advisor.
But then again, if he feels up for it in a few years, he has my vote if he can keep up on the campaign trail.
Bernie is captured by those same individuals, despite trying to portray the role of contrarian.
When he got out of the way for hillary I lost all respect for him, he coulda shoulda woulda been president most likely running against trump in 2016
Same billionaires run both parties
Bernie is NOT a Democrat. He is a democratic socialist.
Maybe, and I’m just spitballin’ here, what we need is more democratic socialists and less paralyzed with fear from their own rich elites Democrats.
America needs a Solidarity party.
America’s political parties are two wings of the same bird. Which is why thinking that voting is going to save you is completely ridiculous.
It is not just democrats. It is politicians all the way up and down the board. There are the elite wealthy class who advocate for themselves and corporations. They are paying off everyone to forward their agenda. DNC and GOP. Everything else is propaganda to cover their agenda. Less taxes, less regulation more bailouts/corporate welfare
I tell people all the time that the dems are not going to help us. They actively participated in getting us here. The “oh no we’re not in power so there’s nothing we can do…” coupled with the “now that we’re in power and they’re blocking everything there’s nothing we can do….” Has been happening since Obama. They’re complicit.
💯 💯 💯 💯 so succinct and true