Amin Al-Husseini, known as one of the few forefathers of Palestinian nationalism, meets with Adolf Hitler to discuss the “Solution to the Jewish Problem” on November 28th, 1941. Months later, the first phase of the Holocaust would begin, and Hosseini would be declared Aryan by Hitler for his help.
Yeah, this sort of reference needs a LOT of historical context. One of the reasons I think Israel/Palestine is so polarizing right now is because most holocaust survivors are dead or unable to tell their stories, so people have to make blind assumptions. I have a couple friends, cousins, whose family fled to Israel during the war, and who openly condemn the country’s current actions because they know, in living memory, what that sort of situation is like. But this perspective is rare nowadays and lives are being taken on both sides due to broad generalizations.
(Edit: got the timeline a little screwy but they did in fact go Germany —> Israel due to WWII. May not have been during but very soon after; point still stands).
ImplementNo6031
3 months ago
History always finds new ways to be horrifying
JuicyLemonBanana
3 months ago
Reminder that Husseini was an absolute asshole and that he wasn’t a hero..
Vrukop
3 months ago
Fun fact: Yasser Arafat is his nephew.
Pepston
3 months ago
Huh, 1941 is before Israel was even created. I was told that Palestinians would be peaceful with the Jews if not for the established state of Israel. It’s almost like they’ve been wanting to kills Jews for a lonnng time
CharmingMorningsz
3 months ago
Hitler was always going to do it. No one needed to convince him.
But it didn’t mean Haj Amin al-Husseini was innocent. He spent his WWII years working for Hitler. He recruited a bunch of Muslim soldiers for the SS. And he was one of the main propagandists working the Nazi’s Arab language radio station.
AwarenessNo4986
3 months ago
CONTEXT to ensure there is no propaganda. Not a fan of the guy but it is important to know that
Amin Al -Al-Husseini was an anti-colonial fighter and met with Hitler asking for support for the creation of an independent Palestinian State and opposing the creation of a Jewish state, all in opposition to the British Empire. Saying that he had anything to do with the holocaust would be like saying that the Emperor of Japan did… actually the emperor of Japan was probably more complicit. He isn’t a great guy to be fair…..but let’s not exaggerate it in order to undermine the struggles of the modern state and today’s conflict.
(He was originally instated as the Mufti of Jerusalem by the British before Amin realized that the British were not going to keep their promises and revolted)
Other anti-colonial leaders would also meet Hitler such as Subash Bose who would ask Hitler’s help to oppose Britain and seek support for the freedom of India from the British Empire.
Its almost as if the people colonized by the British Empire, opposed the British Empire. I wonder why?
Neither Amin nor Subash Bose were directly involved in the holocaust. I am still not a fan of any of them and believe their actions were horrible and deplorable
Awwa_
3 months ago
Long story short, they did not solve the Jewish problem.
22octav
3 months ago
Funny, I just searched about this picture last week. You are wrong; this Palestinian guy just came to ask the Germans for help to expel the Jews from Palestine, but Hitler wasn’t interested. He wanted the opposite: to expel the Jews from Germany to anywhere else (one of the ideas was to send them to Madagascar). What is tragic (few people know) is that, before killing the Jews, the Nazis asked Western countries to take them, but they refused (even though they could imagine that they were in danger). It’s not just the Nazis; pretty much all Western countries refused to help them (look at the Evian Conference). One boat full of Jewish refugees knocked at the door of several countries, including the USA; they all refused, and they sent them back to Germany, where they were killed.
MysteryPizza86
3 months ago
Imagine being a fly on the wall for this conversation. Talk about stomach churning
Shmeepish
3 months ago
Man the responses to this are heartbreaking.
ToughCapital5647
3 months ago
So it wasn’t just apartheid South Africa that would designate someone honorary white?
Helen_av_Nord
3 months ago
As almost nobody wants to admit in 2024, Israel-Palestine is really complicated and can’t be dismissed as one side being evil and the other pure.
Difficult-Dish-23
3 months ago
“from the river to the sea” indeed.
Why do people stand up for these genocidal extremists again?
thegoatmenace
3 months ago
Hmm it’s almost like Israel’s aggressive defensive posture is grounded in real experience of targeted genocide within living memory.
Violence begets more violence, folks. Aggressors should study this history and recognize that while you may be in a stronger position now, that may not always be true. Your descendants will be the ones who suffer the consequences of your aggression.
CunningAlderFox
3 months ago
The copium from the terrorist sympathisers crying ‘context’ and then failing to justify their side meeting with Hitler.
Anus_master
3 months ago
Zoomers still learning the Jews and Arabs have a long history of fucking each other up
stonecats
3 months ago
it’s worth noting the timing of this meeting;
hitler had attempted to invade russia and
was desperate to keep the oil flowing after
his initial blitzkrieg had failed to secure the
land before winter would set in. this is also
the same month hitler started to zyklon-b
wholesale gas chamber slaughter jews.
UK had officially stopped jewish migration
to israel from europe early in 1939 so Amin
was worried of jews hitler had not arrested
that were getting into that region anyway.
japan’s pearl harbor surprise attack happened
a month after this meeting, which got a then
pacifist usa deeply into two major wars.
Gumbalier
3 months ago
just goes to show how fascism doesnt discriminate with the people it has a temporary use for. the japanese werent exactly the racist aryan standard the nazis had in mind. Im sure if the war had lasted longer, the palestinians would have been blamed and murdered just like the jews. (similar thing also happened during john adams presidency, who would ally with native americans to drive all other tribes out of the south, and then promptly subject the allied tribes to the trail of tears.)
Superb-Fruit406
3 months ago
Wanna talk about the Catholic Church involvement too? They don’t.
Hipster-Stalin
3 months ago
He was just anti-Zionist, not anti-Semitic, right?
tarkus_cd
3 months ago
It’s almost like nationalism is a disease that infects and kills
Now do Henry Ford’s antisemitic newspaper and his Order of the German Eagle award from Hitler.
First Caucasian card ever issued.
Yeah, this sort of reference needs a LOT of historical context. One of the reasons I think Israel/Palestine is so polarizing right now is because most holocaust survivors are dead or unable to tell their stories, so people have to make blind assumptions. I have a couple friends, cousins, whose family fled to Israel during the war, and who openly condemn the country’s current actions because they know, in living memory, what that sort of situation is like. But this perspective is rare nowadays and lives are being taken on both sides due to broad generalizations.
(Edit: got the timeline a little screwy but they did in fact go Germany —> Israel due to WWII. May not have been during but very soon after; point still stands).
History always finds new ways to be horrifying
Reminder that Husseini was an absolute asshole and that he wasn’t a hero..
Fun fact: Yasser Arafat is his nephew.
Huh, 1941 is before Israel was even created. I was told that Palestinians would be peaceful with the Jews if not for the established state of Israel. It’s almost like they’ve been wanting to kills Jews for a lonnng time
Hitler was always going to do it. No one needed to convince him.
But it didn’t mean Haj Amin al-Husseini was innocent. He spent his WWII years working for Hitler. He recruited a bunch of Muslim soldiers for the SS. And he was one of the main propagandists working the Nazi’s Arab language radio station.
CONTEXT to ensure there is no propaganda. Not a fan of the guy but it is important to know that
Amin Al -Al-Husseini was an anti-colonial fighter and met with Hitler asking for support for the creation of an independent Palestinian State and opposing the creation of a Jewish state, all in opposition to the British Empire. Saying that he had anything to do with the holocaust would be like saying that the Emperor of Japan did… actually the emperor of Japan was probably more complicit. He isn’t a great guy to be fair…..but let’s not exaggerate it in order to undermine the struggles of the modern state and today’s conflict.
(He was originally instated as the Mufti of Jerusalem by the British before Amin realized that the British were not going to keep their promises and revolted)
Other anti-colonial leaders would also meet Hitler such as Subash Bose who would ask Hitler’s help to oppose Britain and seek support for the freedom of India from the British Empire.
Its almost as if the people colonized by the British Empire, opposed the British Empire. I wonder why?
Neither Amin nor Subash Bose were directly involved in the holocaust. I am still not a fan of any of them and believe their actions were horrible and deplorable
Long story short, they did not solve the Jewish problem.
Funny, I just searched about this picture last week. You are wrong; this Palestinian guy just came to ask the Germans for help to expel the Jews from Palestine, but Hitler wasn’t interested. He wanted the opposite: to expel the Jews from Germany to anywhere else (one of the ideas was to send them to Madagascar). What is tragic (few people know) is that, before killing the Jews, the Nazis asked Western countries to take them, but they refused (even though they could imagine that they were in danger). It’s not just the Nazis; pretty much all Western countries refused to help them (look at the Evian Conference). One boat full of Jewish refugees knocked at the door of several countries, including the USA; they all refused, and they sent them back to Germany, where they were killed.
Imagine being a fly on the wall for this conversation. Talk about stomach churning
Man the responses to this are heartbreaking.
So it wasn’t just apartheid South Africa that would designate someone honorary white?
As almost nobody wants to admit in 2024, Israel-Palestine is really complicated and can’t be dismissed as one side being evil and the other pure.
“from the river to the sea” indeed.
Why do people stand up for these genocidal extremists again?
Hmm it’s almost like Israel’s aggressive defensive posture is grounded in real experience of targeted genocide within living memory.
Violence begets more violence, folks. Aggressors should study this history and recognize that while you may be in a stronger position now, that may not always be true. Your descendants will be the ones who suffer the consequences of your aggression.
The copium from the terrorist sympathisers crying ‘context’ and then failing to justify their side meeting with Hitler.
Zoomers still learning the Jews and Arabs have a long history of fucking each other up
it’s worth noting the timing of this meeting;
hitler had attempted to invade russia and
was desperate to keep the oil flowing after
his initial blitzkrieg had failed to secure the
land before winter would set in. this is also
the same month hitler started to zyklon-b
wholesale gas chamber slaughter jews.
UK had officially stopped jewish migration
to israel from europe early in 1939 so Amin
was worried of jews hitler had not arrested
that were getting into that region anyway.
japan’s pearl harbor surprise attack happened
a month after this meeting, which got a then
pacifist usa deeply into two major wars.
just goes to show how fascism doesnt discriminate with the people it has a temporary use for. the japanese werent exactly the racist aryan standard the nazis had in mind. Im sure if the war had lasted longer, the palestinians would have been blamed and murdered just like the jews. (similar thing also happened during john adams presidency, who would ally with native americans to drive all other tribes out of the south, and then promptly subject the allied tribes to the trail of tears.)
Wanna talk about the Catholic Church involvement too? They don’t.
He was just anti-Zionist, not anti-Semitic, right?
It’s almost like nationalism is a disease that infects and kills
And the plot thickens