Change My Mind: Eli Manning should NOT be in the Hall of Fame. He was never a top QB at any point in his career. They’re about to put him in first ballot because his defence stopped Brady in the Super Bowl twice man this is ridiculous.
Thursday, 13 Mar 2025
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It’s about the bling, just ask Aikman
Sort of agreed, but he beat Brady in the SB twice and is a Manning while being in the biggest market in the NFL. He etched himself in NFL lore. I imagine its hard to discount that narrative when voting
OP- “Eli Manning is by far the worst potential HOF QB I’ve ever heard of!”
Eli Manning- “But you have heard of me.”
In all seriousness, Eli has a strong case. As far as the awards referenced in the original post, the Pro Football Reference Hall of Fame Monitor (HOFm) is a metric designed to estimate a player’s chances of making the Pro Football Hall of Fame using AV, Pro Bowls, All-Pros, championships, and various stat milestones. Eli has a higher score than HOF QB’s Stabler, Jurgenson, Griese, Moon, Namath, Dawson, Aikman, and Kelly.
[https://www.pro-football-reference.com/hof/hofm_QB.htm](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/hof/hofm_QB.htm)
But he is famous
These stats from 2011 show how much Eli carried the entire team that year:
The Giants became the first team ever with fewer than ten wins in a 16-game regular season to win the Super Bowl.
The Giants were the first team with a running game ranked last (32nd) and a defense ranked as low as 27th to win a Super Bowl.
The Giants made history as the first Super Bowl team ever outscored in the regular season (394 points scored, 400 points allowed).
Eli Manning led the team on seven fourth-quarter comebacks and eight game-winning drives, making him the NFL all-time leader for both in a single season. The giants won nine games that season.
Manning set an NFL record in 2011 with 15 fourth-quarter touchdown passes.
Eli Manning still holds the single post season record for passing yards with 1,219 yards
Its called the hall of fame, not the hall of stats, but if wins are a QB stat, then Super Bowl wins are a QB stat as well.
“Defence” ah a real student of the game.
Eli had an iconic career w two SB MVP. He’s a lock.
I mean he threw 2 of the most famous passes in his superbowl wins. He won those games with his arm. You must not have watched those games lol
Yea I agree with everything u said but he won two super bowls against impossible odds. He played clutch football and carried his team postseason. Warren Moon is in HOF and his career td to int record is way worse than Eli’s. Also no Super Bowl appearances.
He seems very popular and doesn’t have any negative things against him such as cheating scandals or off the field controversy. Beating those patriot teams was huge for me. They were the most hated teams in history and watching them go down in flames at the hands of the Giants was awesome.
The fact of beating the undefeated pats, the throw and catch.
Beating em again.
Wild card team.
Hell that week 17 game the giants damn near and should have beaten the patriots and ended their perfect season. Then to rematch in the bowl. And win it. Clutch it.
Tbh i agree hes a pretty above average quaterback at best.
And tbh i dont think rings mean eveything
But… most arguments ever i see regard playoffs and rings.
Dude has 2 rings against THE DYNASTY.
Hes a HoF qb
Eli manning had the best post season performance of any QB in history, holding multiple post season records, and holds the record for most consecutive starts as a QB to start his career
At the time of this retirement, he was top ten all time in both passing yards and passing TDs and currently sits at #11 for each.
He’s a two time Super Bowl MVP and Super Bowl winner.
If you’re going to argue that wins matter, then Barry sanders wouldn’t be a hall of famer for starters.
If you’re going to argue that QB interceptions matter, then Brett Favre isn’t a HOFer because he also led the league in interceptions three times.
He is the two-time Super Bowl MVP of a team that beat Tom Brady twice.
In one of those runs, he set the playoff record for yards in a postseason and that record still stands. Including the playoffs, he threw for over 6k yards that season. The defense is not carrying a 6k yard QB.
Upon retirement he was top 10 all time in yards and touchdowns. I believe he is now 11th all time in both.
He never missed a game until Ben McAdoo attempted to save himself.
And before I hear about his INTs, as a Giants fan, I can verify that about half of those were intended for Rueben Randle, where half of those hit his hands or face and the other half Randle ran in the opposite direction of the football.
Anecdotally he also threw a lot of “fuck it who cares we need a play or it doesn’t matter” type INTs while losing, at the end of a half, or on a 3rd down deep ball.
I won’t deny that Eli had his fair share of knucklehead moments, but that man was a warrior with ice in his veins who got better as the moment got brighter.
Ultimately the Hall of Fame is a museum so answer this. Can you tell the story of post-2000 football without including Eli Manning?
It’s the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Statistical Excellence.
If Eli gets in then there’s a whole pile of QBs you all write paragraphs about how they don’t deserve to get in, that 100% deserve to get in. For all the talk about how the NFL HoF has higher standards than the NBA giving Eli the nod is straight up an NBA HoF move.
Might as well ignore all the rest of the individual stats because rangz are the only thing that matters apparently
You are really underrating how insanely good Eli was in those playoff runs. Whether or not that alone qualifies him for HOF is a debate, but to say it was just the defense is disingenuous
First ballot? Probably not but it’s hard to argue that a 2X SB MVP who beat Brady and Belichick twice shouldn’t be in the HOF.
Ita moreso because he’s a 2x sbmvp, carried a bad o line and usually bad defense the second half of his career, and his 2011 advanced stats were insanely good.
That’s it.
As a giant fan I hate the “eli beat brady durr” when his offense out up 17 and 21 points against patriot teams known for their offenses.
Yeah, I don’t know why anyone would want a guy who is 11th All Time Passing Yards, 10th All time in Touchdowns, 6th in Passing Attempts, 7th in Completions, 7th in Passing Yards per Game, 2 Time Superbowl winner, 2 Time Superbowl MVP, Walter Payton Man of the Year, and toss in 222 consecutive career starts. That sounds like an underachiever if you ask me…………
Idk the HOF qualifications seem to be more nd more skewed each year but Eli has a case being a All Time Game Manager considering he literally had to do his job nd the Giants won.
Also Consider he was apart of some of the greatest games/highlights in NFL history. Not a Eli fan but the HOF is to highlight the greatness that makes the NFL nd he plays his part in it.
HOF discussions are pointless because there’s no set criteria for voting someone in. You just vote them in if you’re an eligible voter if you think they should be in based on your own personal criteria.
It’s why it doesn’t matter to me at all. If a player I like gets in, I’m happy if they’re happy. That’s about it.
Were you not alive in 2011? Likely… but he carried the Giants that season.
2× Super Bowl champion (XLII, XLVI)
2× Super Bowl MVP (XLII, XLVI)
Walter Payton NFL Man of the Year (2016)
4× Pro Bowl (2008, 2011, 2012, 2015)
New York Giants Ring of Honor
New York Giants No. 10 retired
Bart Starr Award (2020)
3rd Consecutive start steak
11th all time passing yards
10th all time touchdowns
Involved in arguably the top play (Tyree catch) and pass (Manningham) play in Super Bowl history.
18-1
Sure Eli may be my all time favorite football player but he was something mythical. Ice in his veins, lovable goof, lifetime Giant. He will get in sooner or later especially with face still all over the NFL.
Championships count like 50x better than stats.
Eli Manning is the most disrespected 2x winning SB MVP to ever play the game.
Guarantee his goofy ass spoiled a lot of these haters teams days, and it makes them seethe with rage to this day
Jim Plunkett won 2 SB’s and never won major awards, sub .500 QB and is not a HOF.
That’s the closest comparison I can find to not get Eli in HOF, especially 1st year.
They already tainted the hall of fame by allowing Ray Lewis into it
If you win two tittles in New York city, you are going to be in your sports hall of fame.
You do realize that the HOF isn’t just about stats, right?
Eli is a household name.
He had two legendary playoff runs. His stats aren’t elite but with the two rings, the legendary 2004 QB class, being a Manning…
I don’t think he’s a first ballot HOFer (Ben is the only first ballot from 04), but he should absolutely make it.
2 Super Bowls, 100+ wins, defeated the undefeated Patriots, insane Ironman streak…
Saying Eli sucks just tells us about your insecurities, keep crying about it tho.
After Eli is in the hof, let’s agree to never talk about it again.
15 debates per year about if a guy from New Orleans should have his jersey hung in a meaningless building in Ohio is just too many.
Can’t tell the story of the nfl without him so I’d say he’s in
For what it’s worth, Eli stepped up in games that it mattered most. In the 2 playoff Super Bowl runs, Eli had 15 TDs with just 2 INTs
There are QBs that put up great regular season numbers, only to fail in the playoffs, so regular season stats aren’t the only consideration.
Also 5-0 in road playoff games ( Tampa, Green Bay (x2), San Francisco, Dallas)
Was it his defense that led 2 GW drives in the Super Bowl? Dude just turned it on in the playoffs, you can’t really argue that. Also, having no HOF teammates on offense is quite the hamstring. Pretty much every other HOF QB has an OL or a WR that also made the hall.
Eli played with a garbage OL his whole career and his 2 best WR either literally or metaphorically shot themselves and their career in the leg. In 2011, he didn’t just beat the Pats, but a 15-1 Packers team that was very much supposed to win.
If you win 2 Super Bowls as a Cinderella, and beat the GOAT doing it both times, I don’t see how that doesn’t equate to HOF. It’s the equivalent of the 83 Wolfpack, but it happened twice in 5 years.
Also [this. ](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/hof/hofm_QB.htm)
First ballot? Absolutely not. HOF? Probably
I’m tired of people saying he beat Brady twice. Nobody talks about Michael strahan and the defense carried those teams he’s getting too much credit
He was top 10 in all QB stats at the time he retired. He was one of the best QBs in that era and to think otherwise is just idiocy.
His actual performance was more similar to Jake Delhomme than an elite QB. But those 2 SBs were insane and that’ll probably be all that really matters.
Every qb with 2 Super Bowl wins is in. Eli will be no different. If Trent Dilfer had two rings, he’d be in as well.
Hope this helps
Stats aren’t the only thing that make a good QB.
I can’t believe we’re still having this conversation
As a very wise man once said
You play to win the game.
He beat the best qb in the history of the league. Not just once but twice. Let me tell you, America was overjoyed by it each and every time Brady lost. Sure his stats may not be super, but when the guy was put in that spotlight, he did everything he needed to in order to beat the best. It’s all about winning the big game.
player a: 57% completion percentage, 300 tds, 226 ints, 51k yards
player b: 60% completion percentage, 366 tds, 244 ints, 57k yards
a is elway. b is eli. eli absolutely is a hall of famer.
Bret Favre is the all time leader in interceptions and he’s in the Hall of Fame
His stats in the 2007 playoff run were 854 passing yards, 6 TDs and 1 INT with a 95.7 and in the 2011 playoffs his stats were 1219 passing yards, 9 TDs and 1 INT with a 103.3 rating.
That leaves him with 2,073 yards, 15 TDs and 2 INTs across the 2 runs “his defense won for him.”
It also discounts the team in 2011 having I believe the 2nd worst overall o-line according to PFF and Eli still threw for almost 5k yards and arguably willed that team into the playoffs in the first place.
Also that 49ers NFC championship game in 2011 is almost HoF worthy alone just because Eli was somehow able to stay alive the entire game being pressured every snap and sacked 6 times.
You can’t tell the story of the NFL without mentioning Manning. He is a hall of famer.
He has the volume stats.
– 11th all time in passing TDs
– 11th all time in passing yards
– 3rd longest starting streak all time for a QB
Plus, two wins over the greatest player to ever live (one of those wins being over the greatest football team ever assembled) doesn’t hurt.
I hate that I have to make the case for Eli, but there’s one there.
Personally I wouldn’t put him in the hall, but that has more to do with the fact that I think it should be a little more exclusive than it is.