fun fact, tans women have less testosterone than most cis women.
Wednesday, 12 Mar 2025
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Does anyone have an article or a video that goes through the scientific evidence in as neutral a matter as possible? I always have a strong feeling when this is being discussed that politics colors peoples conclusions…
if they understood how it works it wouldnt even be a debate, we all know this
Man from reading these comments my bones and muscles are made of adamantium.
I mean, there are Chicago women’s 🚲 races where 1st and 2nd place went to trans athletes, beating a cis woman who holds 18 🥇titles. There’s certainly *something* beneficial to having gone through male puberty.
I find it fascinating that these arguments are almost always about trans women in sports, and insisting they compete with men. There is very little discussion about trans men.
If the logic holds if you require trans women to compete with men, then trans men will be competing with women and I’m pretty damn sure that with the added testestrone they will be wiping the floor with cis gender women.
All of these rules are just to police women. How do you find out if women are AFAB or trans? Underwear checks? Blood sampling? All these invasive things? We saw that in the Olympics that non-standard beauty boxer was immediately decried as trans leading to what could have been extremely dangerous ramifications for her in her very anti lgbt country. It’s all about policing and controlling women, especially those who don’t fit the arbitrary beauty standards.
Testosterone isn’t everything, the whole muscle structure and bone structure is different in men.
F to M trans athletes are the only ones at a disadvantage. Funny we don’t see many of those.
Cis man who isn’t a biologist here:
It sort of makes sense, to me. I mean blocking testosterone is part of the transition process, right? Cis woman don’t block their testosterone, AFAIK.
I’m a bleeding heart liberal… I’m also a physiologist. as a liberal, letting trans women compete in women’s sports is a losing proposition… the support isn’t there and it’s occupying so much discourse for a bad idea. as a physiologist, letting trans women compete in women’s sports is not a good idea as there are differences in
biology which is why women’s sports were created in the first place.
Is the murder in the room with us?
Tans?
Do you have a link to the study, or are you just agreeing with and spreading things you see on the internet?
I’m curious if the people harping against trans athletes for having a supposed genetic advantage also think Michael Phelps should lose his medals for his.
Michael Phelps has Marfan Syndrome, which gives him a longer wingspan, broader torso, and shorter legs,all of which give him a measurable genetic advantage. [source](https://www.biography.com/athletes/michael-phelp-perfect-body-swimming)
Should all athletes undergo genetic testing for beneficial conditions?
The murder rate is dropping rapidly around here. Shouldn’t that make me happy?
On average men will always have an advantage over women. Notice how absolutely nobody is concerned about women competing in men’s divisions, it’s a joke.
Protect women’s sports and spaces.
Idiotic. Do people have eyes?
“Could be” isn’t exactly definitive proof of anything.
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Fun fact – Hannah Mouncey is not at a physical disadvantage against any cis woman she plays handball against.
Fun fact – Hannah Mouncey should of course be free to live openly and with dignity in society.
Fun fact – General society isn’t *ever* going to celebrate individuals who went through male puberty for physically dominating people who didn’t go through male puberty.
Fun fact – The more this trivial aspect of the trans experience is pushed for by fringe activists, the more damage is needlessly done to broader trans acceptance in society.
Having less testosterone isn’t the problem. It’s the already developed male genetics that were previously there causing a unfair advantage. Or, do you still think the Olympic women’s soccer team losing to a high school men’s soccer team was just a coincidence?
This is such a ridiculous debate. Men and women are different, this is why men and women compete in different leagues.
Stop confusing reality with “phobia”, it’s idiotic.
The mental gymnastics people are doing to justify destroying women’s sports. None of this would be an issue if biological women wanted to compete with trans athletes but they do not. It’s pretty cut and dry whether or not you developed as a man and if you did you do not belong on the field, cage, court or ice with someone who developed as a woman. It is literally that simple.
The way forward has to include compromises. Meaning.. both sides have to start to see the other sides’ views.. Now, of course, some of the “points” are BS, but they don’t matter right now. Both sides must be calm, rational, and willing to work with the other side.. or it will all fall part again.
What about trans women who have only been through female puberty? I’m guessing they’re banned too
As a trans woman on hormones I am so incredibly weak after only 3 months that I can barely bike up the hill to my classes. I would not qualify in any athletic competition barring a rhythm game.
I mean, I’m not an expert by any stretch of the word, but all my trans friends have, like, negative muscle mass.
Can confirm, in my case at least.
That’s fucking hilarious after everything.
Here’s a summary of the study, in case anyone is actually curious:
They studied athletic capabilities for 23 trans women, 12 trans men, 21 cis women, and 19 cis men. All participants engaged in either competitive sport or frequent physical training (i.e., could be considered “athletes”), and the trans women had been on hormone therapy for at least a year. They found:
– Trans women performed worse in tests measuring lower body strength compared to cis women
– Trans women performed worse in tests measuring lung function than cis women
– Trans women has a higher percentage of fat mass and a weaker handgrip strength compared to cis women
– Trans women’s bone density was equivalent to cis women’s (bone density is linked to muscle strength)
– Trans women’s hemoglobin levels were equivalent to cis women’s (hemoglobin is linked to oxygen delivery to muscles)
[Here’s the article in case anyone wants to read more!](https://www.forbes.com/sites/lindseyedarvin/2024/04/25/transgender-athletes-could-be-at-a-physical-disadvantage-new-research-shows/) Please be normal in the comments!
Tans women? What about cos women?
**The male dead lifting record is about 1200 pounds while the female record is about 600 pounds.** I chose this one specifically because its a compound exercise that uses multiple muscle groups. Keep in mind these are people that dedicated their lives to this, not some random person. If there were any way for a female to close the gap including steroids they would do it in a heartbeat.
Now tell me the scientific way we 100% account for this physical advantage and I will join the cause.
I came here for the title and I see nothing about tans women. I was hoping to learn…
Well, to start of, google is not a very reliable source, it really takes a higher education and experience to distinguish between reliable and unreliable information on a complicated biological or social problem.
Second, I hate how polarized discussions about trans women in sports is. This is not as simple as “all women are women”. While I understand the equity part of this, and trans women’s longing to be accepted and be able to live simply as women, the resistance in the sports society is understandable as well. Women have fought for centuries to be able to play sports, to be accepted as valuable athletes, for women’s teams to get the same respect as men’s. Historically women have been mocked, looked down upon or banned by men to participate in sports due to being biologically different to, and physically weaker in sports than, men. Feeling threatened by someone born a biological male coming into this space that women have fought for is natural.
Imagine in a parallel world, if someone born white identified as black, used modern medicine to turn his skin black, and then wanted to join and a group specifically intended for black people. It would be very natural for people born black to be strongly opposed to this, no matter how biologically similar that person would be.
It goes beyond hormone therapy biological advantages of being male.
Testosterone promotes greater muscle mass, bone density, and red blood cell production. These traits historically benefited males in roles requiring physical labor, defense, or hunting. Males also tend to have larger hearts and lungs relative to body size, enhancing their capacity for sustained aerobic activity. Additionally, their spatial reasoning skills and risk-taking tendencies, linked to evolutionary pressures, can provide advantages in navigation and problem-solving in certain environments.
Another advantage lies in genetic diversity. Males are not subject to the biological toll of gestation, enabling them to contribute to genetic variability across more offspring over a lifetime. This capability has been critical in increasing species adaptability through diverse gene pools.
Even if there testosterone decreases, the biological advantages still exist.
It’s unfair that I as a 30 year old can’t play in the toddler league.
Meh just cut women events. Have everything be open class. Easy.
You can be trans or you can be in sports just pick a lane , i liked weed and and chicken tender subs so sports ended for me too i picked a lane