I’ve seen a couple of local news organizations bust sellers at farmers markets for reselling veggies that they bought at Walmart. So, sometimes it’s that you’re adding a middleman.
Krescentia
1 month ago
I remember when farmers market was the best deals for so many things. A lot of the more common items were cheaper but some selective or novelty things being more pricy.
Daisy__Delight
1 month ago
Never understood why it’s like that
Silviana193
1 month ago
The power of buying things at bulk.
CarmenxXxWaldo
1 month ago
I know all the comments are going to justify it but it’s basically the same thing as thrift stores, demand increased. In the 90s farmers markets were at least half price for better quality. You could fill up 3 grocery bags for like 6 bucks.
thecirilo
1 month ago
Well, 90% of the time, cutting the middleman is achieving far higher quality. So you’re increasing cost-benefit, not just reducing expenses.
GimmeNewAccount
1 month ago
It’s all about scale and specialization. The farmer’s market is small-scale operations where everything is done by a single person or family. This leads to inefficiency and poor return on investment.
Big scale operations are cheaper because they can exploit cheap labor, have specialized process and roles, and move a lot more product. With all of these factors, their margins are much much better, so they can afford to bring the cost down.
4N610RD
1 month ago
I think it have something to do with how market works. More you produce, cheaper it gets. If farmer makes hundred kilos of potatoes, he can sell them for, dunno, dollar each. But if he makes hundred tons, he can sell them for one cent. But he will need middle man to sell such amount. He will give him one cent, shop will keep another cent, that makes potato for three cents while farmer will still sell it for dollar. Numbers here are flawed by you get the idea.
SniffMyDiaperGoo
1 month ago
Or when you find out the biggest farmer’s market in your area is forced to fact-check their vendors because there’s always scammers showing up who just load up produce from a sea container depot and attempt to fake being farmers
TylerDurden6969
1 month ago
It’s not rocket science. Simple supply and demand. How many veggies do they sell at this market? Not as many as truck loads going to the middleman.
You’re not paying for the same veggies. You’re paying for the experience. Maybe the quality is slightly higher, but farmers market goers are 85% suburban moms who want a nice outing.
Wide-Championship452
1 month ago
People who grow vegetables on a small scale tend not to use herbicides or pesticides. Costs you more for no chemicals, fresher and better taste. Great if you can afford it, otherwise supermarket shit.
bobrosswarpaint0
1 month ago
These carrots are grown locally!
Cool. The carrots i get from the grocery store are also local.
…but these are locally grown!
So are these.
I’m all for supporting local businesses but they really need to cut the fat and cater to the crowd. My Saturday market is literally 15 stand selling carrots, garlic and onions.
Tadpole-Anxious
1 month ago
its because a lot of people are underpaid and exploited in the agricultural industry. the veggies you get at walmart involve a lot of cost-cutting measures. a small local farmer pays all that overhead and labor themself. its the same reason why you can buy a cheap sweater off amazon for 5 dollars or buy a handmade sweater from an artisan for 100+ dollars. the more middlemen involved, the more alienated the laborers are from the work theyre involved in, and the price reflects that.
Scary_Cup6322
1 month ago
That’s because of exploitative business practices. Food imported from 3rd world farmers who are essentially forced into slave labour by large corporations will always be cheaper than food produced by local farms who, if they can even afford hire workers, have to follow workers rights.
Slave labour will always be cheaper, one can’t blame farmers for that.
littlemissmoxie
1 month ago
Ever since they became popular people upped the prices. But I will say that my own experience with fellow Hispanic and Asian sellers is that they will give you a lot more veggies at a lower price.
But I will never pay $12 for my homemade brownies or fruity loaves of bread sorry.
Specific_Ad1811
1 month ago
Nothing like that fresh, locally sourced inflation
Sad-Math-2039
1 month ago
Like beer from a brewery. Why am I still paying $5 a pint when I’m at the source? The company isn’t paying for advertising, labeling, shipping, distributors, etc. yet here I am paying the exact same price if I bought the beer across the state at a random bar.
Looking at you, Rogue Brewery Newport Oregon
FrenjaminBanklin
1 month ago
Industrial agriculture is often subsidized and the beneficiary of predatory labor practices. When it comes to produce, a lot of what you get from industrial farms will have been selectively bred for aesthetic qualities at the sacrifice of nutritional qualities – will look good but not be as good for you. Additionally, industrial agriculture and mono-culture are horrible for the environment and intrinsically unsustainable.
Farming is one of the hardest fucking jobs out there, especially if you try to do it organically and sustainably. I worked on a 40ish acre vegetable farm for a while and for most of the year, the farmer was out at least 12-14hrs a day, 6 days a week.
It may not be worth it to *you* to buy local because yeah, it can be pricey compared to mass produced stuff, but that is an indictment of the food systems in our country and not an indictment of the small farmers who bust their ass to bring food to their community.
G4M35
1 month ago
My favorite part is when the *”farmers”* buy produce from the same wholesalers as my supermarket.
EchoOpening1099
1 month ago
Does nobody take the time to look into what farms are there? Go visit the farm if you can, I even volunteer when I have time. I know where my food is coming from and will support them over the grocery store.
WesTheFitting
1 month ago
consumers when confronted with the economy of scale:
jaytrade21
1 month ago
I remember when I was with my parents as a kid and we stopped at a small farmer’s stand. I got a bag of grapes. Being a boy from the city, I expected my fruit and veggies to be bug free since this is how they came in the supermarket (for the most part). I was eating the grapes when all of a sudden I picked up a dead crushed bee. It took years before I could eat grapes again.
sunray_fox
1 month ago
Considering the state of America at the moment, this summer’s farmers markets might feel like a bargain.
Relative-Rub1634
1 month ago
Yep, Sprouts is a total rip-off, Aldi literally across the street is a bargain 👌
ProfessionalWaltz784
1 month ago
big grocery often sell fresh at a loss, get you on the other stuff
BigPhatHuevos
1 month ago
And it’s from the same suppliers usually
Witty_Championship85
1 month ago
Because they can’t afford to make them cheaper like the big chains do
SodiumKickker
1 month ago
Some people are literally just shopping there to NOT give their money to Wal Mart or Kroger. The price isn’t the main issue.
PoopMakesSoil
1 month ago
Oh boy we could have a whole conversation about how the US food system is completely backwards, how the whole economy incentives are towards replacing human labor with capital as much as possible and the negative impacts that has on the land, human health and wellbeing, communities, climate, biodiversity, etc… Farming at a small scale with less capital and more labor is more expensive in this system. Which is a totally ass backwards way of existing. So ya don’t get mad at your local farmers for prices. Bankers, developers, heavy equipment cartels, chemical cartels, food processing cartels, and politicians have been making it this way for the last 100 years.
One thing you can do if you want cheaper veggies is find a CSA that does work-trade. That way, you can get out in the field once a week, make new friends, connect with the land, learn some skills, and get cheap veggies!
True_Rubberlegs
1 month ago
I still prefer to purchase at the farmer’s market. At least I know the money is going right back to the people growing the food.
whiplashMYQ
1 month ago
Scale can do wonders for costs. Plus subsidies.
But also, think of farmers markets like artisan veggie sellers, and it starts to make more sense. Art costs more when you cut out middle men too. Even like, buying something from a local artist where you’re just paying labour and supplies, that’s way more than the mass produced art you get at home decor stores. And that makes sense to us. The scale and method let the mass produced stuff cost less.
If farmers at the market could confidently sell as much product there as they do selling wholesale to walmart, they could probably undercut the price walmart sells for. But they can only bring so much, and sell so much, etc. So they gotta make it worth the day by charging more.
Numahistory
1 month ago
I once wanted to sell honey at my local farmers market. I once owned 2 hives that would produce about 10 gallons a year. I don’t personally need that much honey so I thought I’d sell it. Well, it costs $35/day to sell at the farmer’s market nearest to where I lived. I was planning to sell 1 jar for $5. But I would need to sell 7 jars before I made any money. Said screw that and just sold to my co-workers.
knufolos
1 month ago
If you’re buying from legit, local, small farmers, you’re likely buying a higher quality product. It is also more expensive per unit to operate on a smaller scale. So you’re buying a higher quality product that was more expensive to grow. It has little to do with “the middle man”. If you were buying the same rock hard Roma tomatoes you get at Target from the Agricorp TM campus in Mexico it’s probably be cheaper per unit. That if you can afford to buy say 20000 pounds. But then it wasn’t cheaper after all, was it.
Septembers-Poor555
1 month ago
produce trucks are undefeated for affordable fruits and veggies
Pseudonova
1 month ago
You’re also usually buying product that was harvested when ripe and not showered with buckets of synthetic chemicals. So you usually get softer, tastier fruits and veg for your investment.
Unique_Locksmith_283
1 month ago
Maybe it’s cuz I’m in a small town but the market is cheaper than the stores. Maybe this is a larger town thing?
MkNazty
1 month ago
I always try to get the growers business card. They usually have better prices and are willing to trade, outside of the market hours.
JFK3rd
1 month ago
That’s because the holder of the farmers market has somewhat become the middle man. Since they started overcharging. Whether it’s the city or an independent firm, they’re just getting greedier and greedier.
All because some of these market holders are making a fortune every day, makes them think that they could make a fortune by increasing the taxation of the market.
PorkbellyFL0P
1 month ago
It’s cuz they have to pay stupid amounts of money for the space at those markets.
Wakenbacon05
1 month ago
True, but it is still typically a better product and the giant corporations dont get any revenue. As long as its not insanely more expensive id still say its worth it.
DeepakShakur69
1 month ago
Quality is usually better, you can still buy it from the grocery store if you choose
LNinefingers
1 month ago
**It costs more because customers at the farmers market are willing to pay more.**
Full stop.
Too many of the answers here focus in on the farmers costs. They charge what they can get, and they can get more because farmers markets have become a social event where affluent people meet on Saturday mornings to have a coffee and walk around. (At least where I live)
Ashe_Faelsdon
1 month ago
I don’t know what “farmer’s markets” you attend, but I’ve *NEVER* paid more for a vegetable *EVER* at a farmer’s market. *EVER*.
EnvironmentalFly101
1 month ago
The same reason I love visiting breweries!
YoungDiscord
1 month ago
The farmer’s markert has local sellers that produce product at a small scale
That means that their production costs are very high relative to the amount of product they sell
At the supermarket however you have products from large companies that mass produce the product
Since they mass produce at such a huge scale, manufacturing costs for them are MUCH lower relative to the amount of product sold than the local farmer.
In layman’s terms: stuff is cheaper when you buy it in bulk, right?
Well, corporations constantly buy stuff in bulk such as chicken feed, etc so they pay MUCH less to raise a chicken than your local farmer that’s gonna have just a few chickens because buying 5000 tonnes of chicken feed meqns you pay way less per kg of chicken feed than if you were to buy 50 tonnes
So, the corporation can sell their chickens for a fraction of the cost as the local farmers and STILL profit more from each chicken than the farmer.
Add to this all sorts of methods of cost cutting you can do in mass production that os not viable for local farmers and yoi have pur current situation
THAT’S why the local farmer prices are so high by comparison and its not the farmers being greedy or their fault in any way
combustalemon
1 month ago
I feel like this is specific to urban area farmer’s markets. I can get fill a sack with vegetables and lay like 3 dollars in small town Iowa
I’ve seen a couple of local news organizations bust sellers at farmers markets for reselling veggies that they bought at Walmart. So, sometimes it’s that you’re adding a middleman.
I remember when farmers market was the best deals for so many things. A lot of the more common items were cheaper but some selective or novelty things being more pricy.
Never understood why it’s like that
The power of buying things at bulk.
I know all the comments are going to justify it but it’s basically the same thing as thrift stores, demand increased. In the 90s farmers markets were at least half price for better quality. You could fill up 3 grocery bags for like 6 bucks.
Well, 90% of the time, cutting the middleman is achieving far higher quality. So you’re increasing cost-benefit, not just reducing expenses.
It’s all about scale and specialization. The farmer’s market is small-scale operations where everything is done by a single person or family. This leads to inefficiency and poor return on investment.
Big scale operations are cheaper because they can exploit cheap labor, have specialized process and roles, and move a lot more product. With all of these factors, their margins are much much better, so they can afford to bring the cost down.
I think it have something to do with how market works. More you produce, cheaper it gets. If farmer makes hundred kilos of potatoes, he can sell them for, dunno, dollar each. But if he makes hundred tons, he can sell them for one cent. But he will need middle man to sell such amount. He will give him one cent, shop will keep another cent, that makes potato for three cents while farmer will still sell it for dollar. Numbers here are flawed by you get the idea.
Or when you find out the biggest farmer’s market in your area is forced to fact-check their vendors because there’s always scammers showing up who just load up produce from a sea container depot and attempt to fake being farmers
It’s not rocket science. Simple supply and demand. How many veggies do they sell at this market? Not as many as truck loads going to the middleman.
You’re not paying for the same veggies. You’re paying for the experience. Maybe the quality is slightly higher, but farmers market goers are 85% suburban moms who want a nice outing.
People who grow vegetables on a small scale tend not to use herbicides or pesticides. Costs you more for no chemicals, fresher and better taste. Great if you can afford it, otherwise supermarket shit.
These carrots are grown locally!
Cool. The carrots i get from the grocery store are also local.
…but these are locally grown!
So are these.
I’m all for supporting local businesses but they really need to cut the fat and cater to the crowd. My Saturday market is literally 15 stand selling carrots, garlic and onions.
its because a lot of people are underpaid and exploited in the agricultural industry. the veggies you get at walmart involve a lot of cost-cutting measures. a small local farmer pays all that overhead and labor themself. its the same reason why you can buy a cheap sweater off amazon for 5 dollars or buy a handmade sweater from an artisan for 100+ dollars. the more middlemen involved, the more alienated the laborers are from the work theyre involved in, and the price reflects that.
That’s because of exploitative business practices. Food imported from 3rd world farmers who are essentially forced into slave labour by large corporations will always be cheaper than food produced by local farms who, if they can even afford hire workers, have to follow workers rights.
Slave labour will always be cheaper, one can’t blame farmers for that.
Ever since they became popular people upped the prices. But I will say that my own experience with fellow Hispanic and Asian sellers is that they will give you a lot more veggies at a lower price.
But I will never pay $12 for my homemade brownies or fruity loaves of bread sorry.
Nothing like that fresh, locally sourced inflation
Like beer from a brewery. Why am I still paying $5 a pint when I’m at the source? The company isn’t paying for advertising, labeling, shipping, distributors, etc. yet here I am paying the exact same price if I bought the beer across the state at a random bar.
Looking at you, Rogue Brewery Newport Oregon
Industrial agriculture is often subsidized and the beneficiary of predatory labor practices. When it comes to produce, a lot of what you get from industrial farms will have been selectively bred for aesthetic qualities at the sacrifice of nutritional qualities – will look good but not be as good for you. Additionally, industrial agriculture and mono-culture are horrible for the environment and intrinsically unsustainable.
Farming is one of the hardest fucking jobs out there, especially if you try to do it organically and sustainably. I worked on a 40ish acre vegetable farm for a while and for most of the year, the farmer was out at least 12-14hrs a day, 6 days a week.
It may not be worth it to *you* to buy local because yeah, it can be pricey compared to mass produced stuff, but that is an indictment of the food systems in our country and not an indictment of the small farmers who bust their ass to bring food to their community.
My favorite part is when the *”farmers”* buy produce from the same wholesalers as my supermarket.
Does nobody take the time to look into what farms are there? Go visit the farm if you can, I even volunteer when I have time. I know where my food is coming from and will support them over the grocery store.
consumers when confronted with the economy of scale:
I remember when I was with my parents as a kid and we stopped at a small farmer’s stand. I got a bag of grapes. Being a boy from the city, I expected my fruit and veggies to be bug free since this is how they came in the supermarket (for the most part). I was eating the grapes when all of a sudden I picked up a dead crushed bee. It took years before I could eat grapes again.
Considering the state of America at the moment, this summer’s farmers markets might feel like a bargain.
Yep, Sprouts is a total rip-off, Aldi literally across the street is a bargain 👌
big grocery often sell fresh at a loss, get you on the other stuff
And it’s from the same suppliers usually
Because they can’t afford to make them cheaper like the big chains do
Some people are literally just shopping there to NOT give their money to Wal Mart or Kroger. The price isn’t the main issue.
Oh boy we could have a whole conversation about how the US food system is completely backwards, how the whole economy incentives are towards replacing human labor with capital as much as possible and the negative impacts that has on the land, human health and wellbeing, communities, climate, biodiversity, etc… Farming at a small scale with less capital and more labor is more expensive in this system. Which is a totally ass backwards way of existing. So ya don’t get mad at your local farmers for prices. Bankers, developers, heavy equipment cartels, chemical cartels, food processing cartels, and politicians have been making it this way for the last 100 years.
One thing you can do if you want cheaper veggies is find a CSA that does work-trade. That way, you can get out in the field once a week, make new friends, connect with the land, learn some skills, and get cheap veggies!
I still prefer to purchase at the farmer’s market. At least I know the money is going right back to the people growing the food.
Scale can do wonders for costs. Plus subsidies.
But also, think of farmers markets like artisan veggie sellers, and it starts to make more sense. Art costs more when you cut out middle men too. Even like, buying something from a local artist where you’re just paying labour and supplies, that’s way more than the mass produced art you get at home decor stores. And that makes sense to us. The scale and method let the mass produced stuff cost less.
If farmers at the market could confidently sell as much product there as they do selling wholesale to walmart, they could probably undercut the price walmart sells for. But they can only bring so much, and sell so much, etc. So they gotta make it worth the day by charging more.
I once wanted to sell honey at my local farmers market. I once owned 2 hives that would produce about 10 gallons a year. I don’t personally need that much honey so I thought I’d sell it. Well, it costs $35/day to sell at the farmer’s market nearest to where I lived. I was planning to sell 1 jar for $5. But I would need to sell 7 jars before I made any money. Said screw that and just sold to my co-workers.
If you’re buying from legit, local, small farmers, you’re likely buying a higher quality product. It is also more expensive per unit to operate on a smaller scale. So you’re buying a higher quality product that was more expensive to grow. It has little to do with “the middle man”. If you were buying the same rock hard Roma tomatoes you get at Target from the Agricorp TM campus in Mexico it’s probably be cheaper per unit. That if you can afford to buy say 20000 pounds. But then it wasn’t cheaper after all, was it.
produce trucks are undefeated for affordable fruits and veggies
You’re also usually buying product that was harvested when ripe and not showered with buckets of synthetic chemicals. So you usually get softer, tastier fruits and veg for your investment.
Maybe it’s cuz I’m in a small town but the market is cheaper than the stores. Maybe this is a larger town thing?
I always try to get the growers business card. They usually have better prices and are willing to trade, outside of the market hours.
That’s because the holder of the farmers market has somewhat become the middle man. Since they started overcharging. Whether it’s the city or an independent firm, they’re just getting greedier and greedier.
All because some of these market holders are making a fortune every day, makes them think that they could make a fortune by increasing the taxation of the market.
It’s cuz they have to pay stupid amounts of money for the space at those markets.
True, but it is still typically a better product and the giant corporations dont get any revenue. As long as its not insanely more expensive id still say its worth it.
Quality is usually better, you can still buy it from the grocery store if you choose
**It costs more because customers at the farmers market are willing to pay more.**
Full stop.
Too many of the answers here focus in on the farmers costs. They charge what they can get, and they can get more because farmers markets have become a social event where affluent people meet on Saturday mornings to have a coffee and walk around. (At least where I live)
I don’t know what “farmer’s markets” you attend, but I’ve *NEVER* paid more for a vegetable *EVER* at a farmer’s market. *EVER*.
The same reason I love visiting breweries!
The farmer’s markert has local sellers that produce product at a small scale
That means that their production costs are very high relative to the amount of product they sell
At the supermarket however you have products from large companies that mass produce the product
Since they mass produce at such a huge scale, manufacturing costs for them are MUCH lower relative to the amount of product sold than the local farmer.
In layman’s terms: stuff is cheaper when you buy it in bulk, right?
Well, corporations constantly buy stuff in bulk such as chicken feed, etc so they pay MUCH less to raise a chicken than your local farmer that’s gonna have just a few chickens because buying 5000 tonnes of chicken feed meqns you pay way less per kg of chicken feed than if you were to buy 50 tonnes
So, the corporation can sell their chickens for a fraction of the cost as the local farmers and STILL profit more from each chicken than the farmer.
Add to this all sorts of methods of cost cutting you can do in mass production that os not viable for local farmers and yoi have pur current situation
THAT’S why the local farmer prices are so high by comparison and its not the farmers being greedy or their fault in any way
I feel like this is specific to urban area farmer’s markets. I can get fill a sack with vegetables and lay like 3 dollars in small town Iowa
✨economies of scale ✨