This is 10x the estimated temperature at the site of the nuclear blast at Hiroshima. The turkey would cease to exist in any recognizable form.
brimston3-
3 months ago
It’d probably instantly vaporize the turkey, your house, your neighbors’ houses, and a good chunk of the city within about 2 miles. This would be like nuking the turkey with an actual nuke.
SnooPeripherals7757
3 months ago
Surface of sun is around 10,000 and core is about 27,000,000. That turkey is is gonna be somewhere between cremated and a distant memory.
Competitive-Move5055
3 months ago
I mean you need 0.91 seconds for the same heat energy transfer so it would be overcooked.
For the people comparing it nukes the outside temperature doesn’t matter, it’s the amount of hat transfer. On that note defrost it before hand(350f for 4 hours assume frozen turkey) as ice crystals fuck up with heat transfer.
Your instincts are lying to you because in Realistic scenarios temperatures don’t change in โt=0.
ghost_desu
3 months ago
If you apply a thin layer of “air” to the outside of the turkey at that temperature (just enough to maintain the heat for 1 second), it would be vaporized on the outside, then burned a little deeper in, then overcooked, then undercooked, and the inside would stay raw
bamisbig
3 months ago
vaporization
Astro_Philosopher
3 months ago
Speculating so sorry no math. I think the outside of the turkey would act as an ablative heat shield. Very quickly, the outside would vaporize which requires a ton of energy for two phases changes. This would create a barrier of comparatively cool turkey vapor surrounding the turkey. This would largely protect the turkey itself for the remainder of the cooking time. Not sure how largely though.
NerisBug
3 months ago
I do love the people that dont understand heat energy in the comments saying โit be goneโ
The math was done, the energy of heating a furnace for 4 hours at 350 degree equals 5.040.00 degrees for a second.
The difference is in heat distribution: the skin of the turkey would get a fuckton of heat with no time to distribute it.
The skind would burn and then the second is over, presumably the heat is gone and you would have raw inside and very burnd outside
Not sure tho, am no expert
IllustriousCarrot537
3 months ago
Probably not a great deal. It would probably completely vaporise the skin and a few mm of flesh but I doubt 1 second would effectively transfer enough heat to have a significant impact.
Dankn3ss420
3 months ago
Well, considering the surface of the sun is โonlyโ ~10,000 F, being anywhere near 5,000,000 F would likely vaporize anything, the core of the sun is estimated at 15,000,000 F, you are cooking this thing at a third the temp of the core of the sun, I donโt think your house would still be standing after that
Professional_Sky8384
3 months ago
This is also wrong because Howie forgot to convert to Rankine (ew) before doing his thermal calculations. 350ยฐF = 809.67ยฐR => 809.67ยฐR * 3600s/hr * 4h = 11,659,248ยฐR for one second or 11,658,788.33ยฐF for one second
The math here is extrapolating the temperature but the visuals should be a good indicator
CTAVI
3 months ago
Right, this is going to be fun. Assuming that everything is as average as it could be, and that the oven has no heating time (i.e. goes from room temperature to cooking temperature and back again instantly, staying at cooking temperature for one second):
Ideal gas law: PV=nkT
Pressure equation: P = nkT/V
========
k = 1.380649ร10^โ23
5,040,000 F = 2800255.372 K
60 litres = 0.06 cubic metres
Average number of molecules in one cubic metre of air at sea level = 2.53ร10^25
Average number of molecules in 0.06 cubic metres of air at sea level = 0.06ร2.53ร10^25
========
Therefore, P = 2.53ร10^25 ร1.380649ร10^โ23 ร2800255.372
= 978,140,954.111 Pa
= Approximately 9,653.5 atmospheres of pressure, instantly applied all at once
========
Surface heat transfer coefficient of a turkey in air = 19.252 W/m^2 K
Time cooked = 1 s
Average turkey weight = 13.5 kg
Average turkey density = 591.75 kg/m^3
Therefore, average turkey volume = 0.02281368821 m^3
Average specific heat capacity of a turkey = 3530 J/kgK
Average room temperature = 295.65 K
========
Assume uniform spherical turkey:
Sphere volume equation: V = (4pir^3)/3
Therefore, sphere radius equation: (3V/4pi)^(1/3)
Sphere surface area equation: A = 4pir^2
Therefore, sphere surface area equation from volume: A = 4pi(3V/4pi)^(2/3)
Therefore, average surface area = 0.38899837972 m^2
========
Temperature reached for a uniform object after one second equation: T = Te + (T1 – Te)e^(-hA/mC)
Therefore, if heating uniformly, T at t = 1 is = 2800255.372 + (295.65 – 2800255.372)e^(-19.252ร0.38899837972/13.5ร3530) = 735.629894426 K
Therefore, the turkey would reach 462 celsius, or 864 farenheit all of the way through
If it were to just be heating, we could condense this thermal energy to the outside, as the turkey would not heat uniformly, The inside would be completely raw, whilst the outside would be quite significantly burned, but still very much intact. The bigger thing would be the sudden spike in pressure inside the oven. Assuming that the oven doesnโt explode instantly, the turkey would be immediately crushed into a tiny, shrivelled ball of meat and bone, spraying liquid everywhere. It would then rapidly expand when the pressure dropped, but nowhere near as violently. This compression would mean that for the duration, itโs not cooking a full size turkey, but rather a tiny lump of flesh, cooking it through completely, which is why we can assume itโs spherical and uniform without much issue. This is still an estimate, of course, but it should be fairly close to what would actually happen (unless my maths is wrong, in which case throw all of this out of the window). Incidentally, I somehow did find a paper modelling the exact heat transfer of cooking a turkey, worth a read
EDIT: Formatting
Jumpy-Shift5239
3 months ago
Maybe back of the temperature a bit but cooking for shorter periods at higher temperatures runs the risk of having raw centre and overcooked exterior. For the inside to become properly cooked it needs time for the heat from the outside to conduct through to the inside. Itโs a balancing act. To high and you get what I described above, to low and it takes way longer to cook.
Creloc
3 months ago
Given the comparisons of the temperature I think that paraphrasing xkcd sums it up ” it would cease being a coming process and become a physics experiment”
Connect-River1626
3 months ago
Well, first Iโll convert to Celsius because Iโm not American ๐ that goes to 176 2/3, or about 180ยฐC – the average oven cooking temperature for literally any dish.
5,040,000ยฐF = 2,799,982 2/9 ยฐC, or approximately 2.8 million degrees Celsius.
For reference, the surface of the sun is about 5 – 6 thousand ยฐC, the core at about 15 million ยฐC.
So the chicken would, simply put, vaporise instantly.ย
DrNinnuxx
3 months ago
Well, the core of a fusion reactor is 100 million degrees Celsius. 5 million F is about 2.7 million C. So it’s 2.7% the temp of fusion. I think it would be a bit crispy, but still tender inside. ๐
bingbing304
3 months ago
Radiant Heat would vaporize the whole turkey but contact heat would just vaporize the surface, steam generated would protect the rest of turkey
Merad
3 months ago
Ignoring the “completely vaporize it” aspect that others have mentioned… Basically all the questions you see like this about can you cook very fast using very high temperature result in the outside of the food being burnt to a crisp while the inside is raw. It takes time for heat to move through the material of the food and cook it normally, so a brief intense burst of heat only affects the outside layer of the food.
757_Matt_911
3 months ago
I believe it would instantly evaporate at a molecular level, along with a significant portion of the earth in the general area of the turkey
Tiyath
3 months ago
… there’s a lot of people suggesting it’d evaporate but since the exposure is a mere second, could it be that the turkeys skin and outer flesh layer would absorb most of the heat? Like a “Leidenfrost- shield” made of ashes instead of vapor?
On the other hand… It’s 504 times the strength of Little Boy, so I guess that argument is moot ^^
chrischi3
3 months ago
If you did that, it would turn to plasma from the outside in (assuming you’re shoving it into an oven) though possibly not in its entirety, as even at those temperatures, one second is not a lot of time for heat to transfer.
duplo52
3 months ago
So in the same vein of this question, is there a temperature or much shorter time that would “correctly” flash cook the bird and cook in this manner?
Feeling-Income5555
3 months ago
Turkey Vapor.
Oven Vapor.
House Vapor
OP Vapor.
Neighbor Vapor.
Crater Vapor.
(This vapor does NOT smell like thanksgiving.)
apex_pretador
3 months ago
Depends if it’s an open oven or closed oven. An open system does, in fact, leak enough energy to act like a nuclear bomb.
A closed system is an interesting case though, where no energy leaves the oven until it’s turned off and then opened.
factorioleum
3 months ago
The blackbody radiation at that temperature is X-ray, at about a wavelength of 1 nm.
Air absorbs that frequency. With emissivity in the terawatts per mm2 per steradian, I would expect the air in a sphere around this to be heated nearly instantly.ย
This should continue until the peak emissions are in the ultraviolet.
To an outside observer, it would look like a large sphere of fire instantly appeared. That would then expand in a shock wave, like a bomb.
ionoftrebzon
3 months ago
Hmm if you raised a few layers of atoms of the surface of the turkey almost instantaneously to that temperature for 1 second you would essentially laser clean the turkey and not cook it. If it’s more than a few atoms then it’s fusion time baby. We r making a bomb.
Jesus_Harold_Christ
3 months ago
I feel like Randall Munroe answered a very similar question in the book What If. Basically, nothing good would happen to your turkey, or anything “near” it.
IameIion
3 months ago
I imagine the outside will be charred beyond recognition while the inside would be raw.
When coming up with speed cooking myths, no one seems to understand that it takes time to cook things properly.
ShortBusBully
3 months ago
Well shit, I melted half my neighborhood with this and my oven seems to have vaporized the turkey! Was I supposed to convert to Celsius first?
Catvanbrian
3 months ago
Better question: how hot would it have to be for the turkey to be fully cooked in 1 second. Also ignoring physics where you could instantly set the oven temperature and will instantly go to room temp once the timer is done.
Wiecks
3 months ago
There would be no turkey, your house or quite possibly your country anymore. Just to give you a basic idea, surface of the sun itself is approximately at 10000F, going up to 27000000F at the center of the sun. To generate this amount of heat you would need prepostrous amounts of energy, quite possibly equal to multiple nuclear blasts going off at your location at the same time. Very bad idea.
LackWooden392
3 months ago
According to my math, which could be wrong, it would increase the temperature of the turkey on average by 100 degrees F. So unless it was room temperature or hotter to start with, it would probably still be raw inside. The outside may be vaporized though. Somewhere in the middle it would be cooked.
Air doesn’t transfer heat fast enough to do all that much in 1 second, even at 5 million degrees. I think.
Dry_Presentation9480
3 months ago
Okay, so obviously we know the turkey would turn to dustโฆ but suppose we wanted to cook the turkey anyways. Assuming the energy is coming from a single point in space, how far would you have to put the turkey away from it to have it be perfectly cooked
This is 10x the estimated temperature at the site of the nuclear blast at Hiroshima. The turkey would cease to exist in any recognizable form.
It’d probably instantly vaporize the turkey, your house, your neighbors’ houses, and a good chunk of the city within about 2 miles. This would be like nuking the turkey with an actual nuke.
Surface of sun is around 10,000 and core is about 27,000,000. That turkey is is gonna be somewhere between cremated and a distant memory.
I mean you need 0.91 seconds for the same heat energy transfer so it would be overcooked.
For the people comparing it nukes the outside temperature doesn’t matter, it’s the amount of hat transfer. On that note defrost it before hand(350f for 4 hours assume frozen turkey) as ice crystals fuck up with heat transfer.
Your instincts are lying to you because in Realistic scenarios temperatures don’t change in โt=0.
If you apply a thin layer of “air” to the outside of the turkey at that temperature (just enough to maintain the heat for 1 second), it would be vaporized on the outside, then burned a little deeper in, then overcooked, then undercooked, and the inside would stay raw
vaporization
Speculating so sorry no math. I think the outside of the turkey would act as an ablative heat shield. Very quickly, the outside would vaporize which requires a ton of energy for two phases changes. This would create a barrier of comparatively cool turkey vapor surrounding the turkey. This would largely protect the turkey itself for the remainder of the cooking time. Not sure how largely though.
I do love the people that dont understand heat energy in the comments saying โit be goneโ
The math was done, the energy of heating a furnace for 4 hours at 350 degree equals 5.040.00 degrees for a second.
The difference is in heat distribution: the skin of the turkey would get a fuckton of heat with no time to distribute it.
The skind would burn and then the second is over, presumably the heat is gone and you would have raw inside and very burnd outside
Not sure tho, am no expert
Probably not a great deal. It would probably completely vaporise the skin and a few mm of flesh but I doubt 1 second would effectively transfer enough heat to have a significant impact.
Well, considering the surface of the sun is โonlyโ ~10,000 F, being anywhere near 5,000,000 F would likely vaporize anything, the core of the sun is estimated at 15,000,000 F, you are cooking this thing at a third the temp of the core of the sun, I donโt think your house would still be standing after that
This is also wrong because Howie forgot to convert to Rankine (ew) before doing his thermal calculations. 350ยฐF = 809.67ยฐR => 809.67ยฐR * 3600s/hr * 4h = 11,659,248ยฐR for one second or 11,658,788.33ยฐF for one second
https://youtu.be/tgfPFqo9_5Q?feature=shared
The math here is extrapolating the temperature but the visuals should be a good indicator
Right, this is going to be fun. Assuming that everything is as average as it could be, and that the oven has no heating time (i.e. goes from room temperature to cooking temperature and back again instantly, staying at cooking temperature for one second):
Ideal gas law: PV=nkT
Pressure equation: P = nkT/V
========
k = 1.380649ร10^โ23
5,040,000 F = 2800255.372 K
60 litres = 0.06 cubic metres
Average number of molecules in one cubic metre of air at sea level = 2.53ร10^25
Average number of molecules in 0.06 cubic metres of air at sea level = 0.06ร2.53ร10^25
========
Therefore, P = 2.53ร10^25 ร1.380649ร10^โ23 ร2800255.372
= 978,140,954.111 Pa
= Approximately 9,653.5 atmospheres of pressure, instantly applied all at once
========
Surface heat transfer coefficient of a turkey in air = 19.252 W/m^2 K
Time cooked = 1 s
Average turkey weight = 13.5 kg
Average turkey density = 591.75 kg/m^3
Therefore, average turkey volume = 0.02281368821 m^3
Average specific heat capacity of a turkey = 3530 J/kgK
Average room temperature = 295.65 K
========
Assume uniform spherical turkey:
Sphere volume equation: V = (4pir^3)/3
Therefore, sphere radius equation: (3V/4pi)^(1/3)
Sphere surface area equation: A = 4pir^2
Therefore, sphere surface area equation from volume: A = 4pi(3V/4pi)^(2/3)
Therefore, average surface area = 0.38899837972 m^2
========
Temperature reached for a uniform object after one second equation: T = Te + (T1 – Te)e^(-hA/mC)
Therefore, if heating uniformly, T at t = 1 is = 2800255.372 + (295.65 – 2800255.372)e^(-19.252ร0.38899837972/13.5ร3530) = 735.629894426 K
Therefore, the turkey would reach 462 celsius, or 864 farenheit all of the way through
If it were to just be heating, we could condense this thermal energy to the outside, as the turkey would not heat uniformly, The inside would be completely raw, whilst the outside would be quite significantly burned, but still very much intact. The bigger thing would be the sudden spike in pressure inside the oven. Assuming that the oven doesnโt explode instantly, the turkey would be immediately crushed into a tiny, shrivelled ball of meat and bone, spraying liquid everywhere. It would then rapidly expand when the pressure dropped, but nowhere near as violently. This compression would mean that for the duration, itโs not cooking a full size turkey, but rather a tiny lump of flesh, cooking it through completely, which is why we can assume itโs spherical and uniform without much issue. This is still an estimate, of course, but it should be fairly close to what would actually happen (unless my maths is wrong, in which case throw all of this out of the window). Incidentally, I somehow did find a paper modelling the exact heat transfer of cooking a turkey, worth a read
EDIT: Formatting
Maybe back of the temperature a bit but cooking for shorter periods at higher temperatures runs the risk of having raw centre and overcooked exterior. For the inside to become properly cooked it needs time for the heat from the outside to conduct through to the inside. Itโs a balancing act. To high and you get what I described above, to low and it takes way longer to cook.
Given the comparisons of the temperature I think that paraphrasing xkcd sums it up ” it would cease being a coming process and become a physics experiment”
Well, first Iโll convert to Celsius because Iโm not American ๐ that goes to 176 2/3, or about 180ยฐC – the average oven cooking temperature for literally any dish.
5,040,000ยฐF = 2,799,982 2/9 ยฐC, or approximately 2.8 million degrees Celsius.
For reference, the surface of the sun is about 5 – 6 thousand ยฐC, the core at about 15 million ยฐC.
So the chicken would, simply put, vaporise instantly.ย
Well, the core of a fusion reactor is 100 million degrees Celsius. 5 million F is about 2.7 million C. So it’s 2.7% the temp of fusion. I think it would be a bit crispy, but still tender inside. ๐
Radiant Heat would vaporize the whole turkey but contact heat would just vaporize the surface, steam generated would protect the rest of turkey
Ignoring the “completely vaporize it” aspect that others have mentioned… Basically all the questions you see like this about can you cook very fast using very high temperature result in the outside of the food being burnt to a crisp while the inside is raw. It takes time for heat to move through the material of the food and cook it normally, so a brief intense burst of heat only affects the outside layer of the food.
I believe it would instantly evaporate at a molecular level, along with a significant portion of the earth in the general area of the turkey
… there’s a lot of people suggesting it’d evaporate but since the exposure is a mere second, could it be that the turkeys skin and outer flesh layer would absorb most of the heat? Like a “Leidenfrost- shield” made of ashes instead of vapor?
On the other hand… It’s 504 times the strength of Little Boy, so I guess that argument is moot ^^
If you did that, it would turn to plasma from the outside in (assuming you’re shoving it into an oven) though possibly not in its entirety, as even at those temperatures, one second is not a lot of time for heat to transfer.
So in the same vein of this question, is there a temperature or much shorter time that would “correctly” flash cook the bird and cook in this manner?
Turkey Vapor.
Oven Vapor.
House Vapor
OP Vapor.
Neighbor Vapor.
Crater Vapor.
(This vapor does NOT smell like thanksgiving.)
Depends if it’s an open oven or closed oven. An open system does, in fact, leak enough energy to act like a nuclear bomb.
A closed system is an interesting case though, where no energy leaves the oven until it’s turned off and then opened.
The blackbody radiation at that temperature is X-ray, at about a wavelength of 1 nm.
Air absorbs that frequency. With emissivity in the terawatts per mm2 per steradian, I would expect the air in a sphere around this to be heated nearly instantly.ย
This should continue until the peak emissions are in the ultraviolet.
To an outside observer, it would look like a large sphere of fire instantly appeared. That would then expand in a shock wave, like a bomb.
Hmm if you raised a few layers of atoms of the surface of the turkey almost instantaneously to that temperature for 1 second you would essentially laser clean the turkey and not cook it. If it’s more than a few atoms then it’s fusion time baby. We r making a bomb.
I feel like Randall Munroe answered a very similar question in the book What If. Basically, nothing good would happen to your turkey, or anything “near” it.
I imagine the outside will be charred beyond recognition while the inside would be raw.
When coming up with speed cooking myths, no one seems to understand that it takes time to cook things properly.
Well shit, I melted half my neighborhood with this and my oven seems to have vaporized the turkey! Was I supposed to convert to Celsius first?
Better question: how hot would it have to be for the turkey to be fully cooked in 1 second. Also ignoring physics where you could instantly set the oven temperature and will instantly go to room temp once the timer is done.
There would be no turkey, your house or quite possibly your country anymore. Just to give you a basic idea, surface of the sun itself is approximately at 10000F, going up to 27000000F at the center of the sun. To generate this amount of heat you would need prepostrous amounts of energy, quite possibly equal to multiple nuclear blasts going off at your location at the same time. Very bad idea.
According to my math, which could be wrong, it would increase the temperature of the turkey on average by 100 degrees F. So unless it was room temperature or hotter to start with, it would probably still be raw inside. The outside may be vaporized though. Somewhere in the middle it would be cooked.
Air doesn’t transfer heat fast enough to do all that much in 1 second, even at 5 million degrees. I think.
Okay, so obviously we know the turkey would turn to dustโฆ but suppose we wanted to cook the turkey anyways. Assuming the energy is coming from a single point in space, how far would you have to put the turkey away from it to have it be perfectly cooked