Turkey would want to be part of any new European security architecture if Nato unravels, Turkish FM Fidan says
Wednesday, 12 Mar 2025
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It’ll be to the benefit of all parties. Russia is Turkey’s strategic adversary in the Black Sea region and Syria, while Europe benefits from Turkey’s large and battle hardened military and productive military-industrial complex.
So of course Turkey will be part of any kind of post-NATO European security architecture.
seeing all these NATO unraveling news is making me so fucking nervous
Even if it comes without a veto?
Canada would too, I’d expect.
If Turkey would have stayed a secular state as envisioned by Ataturk, then the resistance of the EU would be much lower.
Turkey, Canada why not
As a Turkish let me emhpasis that democracy and dictatorships are not 0-1 but rather a spectrum. Don’t put Erdogan and Putin and Xi in the same bag. Because underlying politic dynamics that resulted these men to acquire too-much-power is very different in those countries.
In Turkiye right now the politic dynamics are barely supports Erdogan to hold all the power and EU and Turkiye getting closer may empower the proper democracy demand of the people of Turkey and that might be enough to tilt the power balance. And i’d assume (maybe a wishful thinking) but, Erdogan in his last days of his life might be willing to share the power with parlement and apply a smooth-transition to a proper democracy. (Considering that it is not possible for him to hold all the power due to consistently losing the popularity and he may want to prepare turkiye to post-erdogan process himself)
I think this will be the era of “Europeanisation” of Turkey. They have taken steps in the past and rolled back but Russia is as big a threat to Turkey as it is to the European union. I don’t think that means EU accession for Turkey but it does mean a drastic change in the geopolitical relationship.
Seeing as they have a big army with actual recent experience and are currently modernizing their army along with having provided drones for Ukraine I’d say it’s a no-brainer.
In my opinion, it would be foolish not to include them.
I changed my mind. Türkiye should take part in this army. If it does not, it will get closer to Russia and Iran, which will be the end of “Turkish democracy”
Please don’t make the whole world an enemy. If we start excluding literally everyone who is not an ideal liberal democracy at the end not much is left.
We can work with Turkey. We need them, they need us.
If?
It’s kinda fucked and shows what a challenge a united Europe is.
Because Greece, understandably, wants absolutely nothing to do with Turkey. And Erdogan is not exactly a saint…
But on the other hand, Turkey is a pretty big regional power and would be a great asset against Russia.
So you can’t really win. You either alienate your existing allies or lose a potentially very important ally.
As someone from the Balkans I’m not sure Turkey in EU is a long-term smart move, but these are troubling times. And who knows, maybe after Erdogan they can revive Kemalism. Secular Turkey would be a breath of fresh air from the east.
They do like to shoot down Russian aircraft and control a vital sea lane.
Just do away with the single vote veto to avoid a hostage-taking.
No offense, but seeing what “questionable” democracies like Hungary do in democratic alliances do, I rather not have them on board yet…
Well yeah that’s believeable. If I were Turkish I’d definitely want to be part of whatever comes next, in case of NATO collapse / fall into irrelevance.
The issue is that the Erdogan government wants all the benefits of being in Europe (whether that means EU or just the overall European community) with sizeable caveats on the actual commitments…
Forgive me, but you’re about to get into a cold (potentially hot) war with Russia, and you’re reluctant to ally with a nation which has the second largest military in NATO plus a nasty history with Russia?
That seems odd.
Not surprised. Europe is arming itself to the teeth. Turkey has a big, modern army, but no allies in the vicinity, other than their current Nato partners. With global geopolitics shifting, both sides do not want to become each other’s enemy and Turkey needs friends.
So it’s beneficial for both parties to keep a form of alliance if Nato falls.
Hi Can Canada join too?
Is that the guy who keeps suing people who sass him online?
Can we trust Turkey?
EDIT: I can see this getting a bit heated in the comments. I just want to clarify that this isn’t meant as an assault against turks. My question is regarding Erdogan and the complex relationship between Turkey and EU.
Not great,
not terrible.
Apologies for not following closely. Isn’t Turkey led by a questionably elected tyrant. Why would this be advantageous to a free Europe.Â
Sure. Just become a Democracy first.
With huge demands I take it
Trojan horse
I don’t know about Turkey; they have always abused their NATO membership. Who says they won’t do the same with the new European coalition?
If they could stop entertaining every beef they have with many European countries as a sign of good faith that would be great.
Greece at least would be relieved.
Turkey held us hostage not that long ago, not a trusted ally.
People say Turkiye might be a geostrategic asset given it’s position close to the Middle East. I would say it could also be a potential risk. The Middle East is completely destabilized and with the US-Israel Axis it is possible that we will see another outbreak of war in this region. If the trajectory of the current US geopolicies remains the same, we can expect that the US administration would rather have a destabilized Europe. Dragging the EU (or any European military alliance) in a major conflict would fit right into this.
Canada would like a seat with you guys as well, please.
yess we need more beautiful architecture in Turkey 🙂
Please don’t forget Canada.
Good news! 5 years ago the world was different and we all wanted the perfect world and Erdogans turkey wasn’t perfect. Now we must lower that standard and prioritize ourselves. So I’ll say something I’d never imagine saying: Maybe let’s get Turkey into the EU
The Grand West is coming back together. Dark times ahead but maybe we can look to something better after. UK and Turkiye may not get EU membership but be key security partners. Alliances don’t have to be totalizing purity tests to be useful..
Turkey being a part would be very good, only an idiot would dismiss the turks immediately
It’s refreshing that turkey are being given the recognition and respect as a European nation, the xenophobic British tabloids used turkey as a reason to leave Europe a couple years ago, how things have changed
Sorry, but it won’t work without values being aligned. There are so many examples of that. We thought the US was a reliable partner, while ignoring their change of heart.
as a swede i would be fine with it as long as they dont get a veto…
Only allow Turkey in if they dump Erdogan.
I remember when Sweden wanted to survive and Turkey could be an ally or a hindrance.
Suddenly everyone is remembering the importance of Turkey in the comments
Erdogan is going to lose his chair soon. So this is a good chance for Turkey to return their secularism and Europe journey.
Bring both Türkiye and Armenia force them to get along make sure they can’t veto eachother and increse the normalization process
Get out of Cyprus and stop threatening Greece every day, and we can talk. Maybe in 20 months, like you made Sweden wait.
No thanks