Simple answer is that laws around gun ownership and accessibility of firearms is tighter in Canada, France, UK etc.
EitherLime679
2 months ago
So these arenโt people walking in to schools and shooting kids. This stat includes all gun discharges within a certain radius of a school. So this stat is bad but very misleading.
You have to also look at the culture, education, hobbies, etc etc to get the full picture of things. Life is not black and white and isnโt as simple as look at this big numbers and donโt look at the context.
on-avery-island_-
2 months ago
mental health crisis
GoldAcanthocephala68
2 months ago
russia is definitely no. 2, this is wrong. there is like a school shooting every year or so here
Complex_Arrival7968
2 months ago
The simple solution is to arm the schoolchildren! School shooters will think twice when they know every 8-year old is packing a semiautomatic 9 mm. The kids will have to turn them in at the last bell of course.
crazyfrog19984
2 months ago
German here.
Itโs a very long journey to have the rights of possessing a firearm legally and store it at home.
I have to be 18 years or older.
Being for over one year in a shooting club.
I have to prove the need of a weapon at home .
Two different safes (one for the weapon one for the ammunition)
A clean record.
A liability insurance policy which covers damages for over 1 million euro and many other things.
Familiar_Rip2505
2 months ago
What they don’t tell you a lot of those “school shootings” are gang related. So many active gang members are under 18. The USA is just a violent place, and high school social dynamics are brutal. If we outlawed guns we’d lead the world in stabbings.
Ballertilldeath
2 months ago
I work in a school in the US. Most of the kids I work with are hardcore bullies. They have no morals they roast people for having parents in jail, for mental health, weight or appearance, you name it. It honestly surprises me there arenโt more shootings
ifhysm
2 months ago
Thereโs like 330 million citizens in a country with, at least, 350 million guns.
[Finland tightened its gun legislation in 2010 following two mass shootings in 2007 and 2008. As part of the regulation, an aptitude test was required for all firearms license applicants. Also the minimum age for applicants was raised to 20 from 18. There are more than 1.5 million licensed firearms and about 430,000 license holders in the nation of 5.6 million people, where hunting and target shooting are popular. Notably, in a global survey earlier this year conducted as part of U.S. News’ annual Best Countries project, Finland was seen as the seventh-safest country among the dozens included in the survey. The Nordic nation ranked No. 20 in the Best Countries analysis overall.](https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2024-10-02/what-are-finlands-gun-laws-whats-the-border-bill-and-does-climate-change-affect-hurricanes)
ltrbreedingbuII
2 months ago
Weird how in the 60s, my dad carried an m-14 target rifle to school on his bicycle handlebars 5 days a week and competitions on Saturdays… In Long Beach California..
And they never had a school shooter…
Now, “guns r bad mkay” and .. shits going the wrong direction
It’s not the guns, it’s the kids being raised improperly with no respect for human life
Britannia_Forever
2 months ago
Why did the number of school shootings dramatically increase after 1999 specifically? Everyone is quick to blame guns or mental health but clearly there is something deeper going on here. Why wasn’t this as big of a problem in the 80s or 90s?
Obvious, isn’t it? Full-blown decline of civilized society.
Tango_D
2 months ago
Rugged individualism + Massive gun access + crumbling to non existent support systems + loss of a sense of a possibility of a future with having so fuck it all.
xSparkShark
2 months ago
You know, I really donโt appreciate when a tragedy like this occurs and non-Americans ask idiotic questions like โWhat in the world is happening in usa ๐ญโ.
In no other developed country is accessing a firearm as easy as it is in the United States. Civilian access to firearms is protected by the second amendment to our constitution, making restrictions on this access at local, state, and federal levels incredibly difficult to pass.
Millions of Americans have been advocating for better gun safety laws for decades now to no avail. For you to come in here and use this as ammunition to dunk on America is not only insensitive to the victims of this recent tragedy, but also offensive to the many who have been pushing to pass laws that will prevent this in the future.
Honestly I donโt know what I expect from this absolute dumpster fire of a subreddit.
The_Billy_Dee
2 months ago
“Yeah, well at least we’re not gay! …..School shootings are a problem though. We should probably fix that.”
dorbear
2 months ago
Lack of gun control and lack of accessible healthcare/mental health services, normalization of violence, polarization in politics, etc etc etc etc
MrBrightsighed
2 months ago
An incorrect usage of the word โschool shootingsโ. More likely to be struck by lightning than be a victim of school shootings.
ShootinAllMyChisolm
2 months ago
When shooters move on from school to to more CEOs, then youโll see all shootings rapidly drop.
GetOffMyDigitalLawn
2 months ago
Literally having a conversation about this in another thread. It does not help that the 288 number is complete bullshit as is the number brought up from *that* website every single year.
Columbine/Parkland style school shootings aren’t nearly that common. Neither are mass shootings from that *other* website. Believe it or not a man having a suicide crisis in his home that happens to be near a school zone isn’t a school shooting, but you wouldn’t know that by the media and propagandists just picking the big number.
Clear_Accountant41
2 months ago
The US has a mental health problem, cause all the apps that kids couldโve been on have been shut down, forcing kids who have underdeveloped brains to view stuff that adults should be viewing, which in turn causes kids to be more concerned with how they look, and how much social media clout they have.
Also I am willing to say that certain laws pertaining to the ability to get a firearm should be changed, like having mandatory background checks, a clean bill of health(both physical, AND mental), as well as the buyer not being able to get said firearm for atleast 3 days, but no more than a 30 day wait time.
Ambitious_Football_1
2 months ago
Weโre number one!!
Egg_Whatever
2 months ago
Not that it compares but russia should be up there, they have Nine since 2009
random123121
2 months ago
Do any of those countries have an attitude of I must step on others to buy fancy things?
JudasInTheFlesh
2 months ago
Late Stage Capitalism + guns = bad
WorldlyEmployment
2 months ago
There were 39 deaths that resulted from School shootings in USA this year so far.
Do you know how many people get killed in UK schools by knife crime this year? 48โฆ this is due to gang culture in mostly Birmingham and London.
If you count that for per capita UK is doing far worse in school safety and school pupil safety than USA. Majority of these shootings in USA occur in โgun free zonesโ because the perpetrators are aware their targeted victims cannot protect themselves.
Here in London there is a shooting every week , I know people arenโt aware because it doesnโt make national news but itโs seriously that bad. 1 female has been killed and 2 males have been injured this week from a shooting , in the summer a 17yo boy shot a 15yo girl coming home from school over some feudal incident
London Jan 2024 to Aug 2024 Homicide Total: 76
2024 Gun Crime Total: 1,220
Top 5 highest Borough discharge totals:
Lambeth (116)
Brent and Hackney (68)
Haringey (58)
Newham and Southwark (39)
Lewisham (33)
Look at USA New York City for comparison the gun crime total for 2024 January to November is 558 and when accounting for population New York is still about 60% of London
Not to forget crime is historically under reported for over 20 years now in London and majority of European Capital cities (why? Maybe to fit their agenda)
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2 months ago
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Several-Series
2 months ago
It’s 100% cultural, for example recently; all of the people glorifying the killing of a CEO. Anytime somebody kills somebody in this country, they always have a manifesto, and everybody wants to read All about It. Americans are in love with dying and It’s absolutely disturbing.
DED2099
2 months ago
Yes itโs weird that the philosophy now is just to arm security and teachers and make kids hide in cramped spaces and pray. Itโs wild that they donโt even understand that more guns on the school grounds will make guns easier for children to obtain. You can try a locked cabinet but teens now are hella smart. If they really want a gun they will find a way.
I was so shocked when I had to watch my first active shooter training. It was a scary training video and at one point they were like โfight the gunmanโ and Iโm sitting there like โwow, we canโt talk about gun regulation but we can ask normal citizens to be cannon fodderโ
If this is the case we should make a law that says that any brave soul who decides to fight the gunman will be taken care of for the rest of their lives and if the citizen dies protecting other people the government must send high financial assistance for the family members of the hero.
I personally donโt think that anyone should have to fight a gunman but I assure you that the government would hate paying people out and would do more to stop it
hopeful_tatertot
2 months ago
What do these other countries think of US when they see this? Land of the free?
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2 months ago
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G_Force88
2 months ago
Lack of mental healthcare and insane suicide rates, plus media attention
Disastrous_Gazelle24
2 months ago
That Canada number is a lie get some real numbers. I live here and know of at least 10 still not even close but still need real numbers to look at.
IncompetentSoil
2 months ago
The problem is healthcare for fuck’s sake. Universal motherfucking health care so that when people are having a stressful moment they can go see a therapist instead of fucking shooting up a school. Guns don’t kill people people kill people for fuck sake
AVeryHairyArea
2 months ago
This figure includes all gun discharges (purposeful and not purposeful) within a mile radius of a school. Including accidental discharges, suicides, things that don’t involve students, etc.
Last I heard the amount of fatally shot students in a school, in what most people consider a “school shooting” is around 9 people over the course of 3 shootings.
Maddturtle
2 months ago
I would say a culture issue. We have tighter gun control than ever yet this issue is relatively new. We did have a few way back but was very rare now its a common occurrence.
william-isaac
2 months ago
where did they get that one school shooting for germany from? i know of at least two
Simple answer is that laws around gun ownership and accessibility of firearms is tighter in Canada, France, UK etc.
So these arenโt people walking in to schools and shooting kids. This stat includes all gun discharges within a certain radius of a school. So this stat is bad but very misleading.
You have to also look at the culture, education, hobbies, etc etc to get the full picture of things. Life is not black and white and isnโt as simple as look at this big numbers and donโt look at the context.
mental health crisis
russia is definitely no. 2, this is wrong. there is like a school shooting every year or so here
The simple solution is to arm the schoolchildren! School shooters will think twice when they know every 8-year old is packing a semiautomatic 9 mm. The kids will have to turn them in at the last bell of course.
German here.
Itโs a very long journey to have the rights of possessing a firearm legally and store it at home.
I have to be 18 years or older.
Being for over one year in a shooting club.
I have to prove the need of a weapon at home .
Two different safes (one for the weapon one for the ammunition)
A clean record.
A liability insurance policy which covers damages for over 1 million euro and many other things.
What they don’t tell you a lot of those “school shootings” are gang related. So many active gang members are under 18. The USA is just a violent place, and high school social dynamics are brutal. If we outlawed guns we’d lead the world in stabbings.
I work in a school in the US. Most of the kids I work with are hardcore bullies. They have no morals they roast people for having parents in jail, for mental health, weight or appearance, you name it. It honestly surprises me there arenโt more shootings
Thereโs like 330 million citizens in a country with, at least, 350 million guns.
[The discussion about the US vs Finland during the VP debate](https://youtu.be/ZITNW_I_MT4?si=8Sy5wWskv8RsTmv5) has been on my mind every single day since I watched it
[Finland tightened its gun legislation in 2010 following two mass shootings in 2007 and 2008. As part of the regulation, an aptitude test was required for all firearms license applicants. Also the minimum age for applicants was raised to 20 from 18. There are more than 1.5 million licensed firearms and about 430,000 license holders in the nation of 5.6 million people, where hunting and target shooting are popular. Notably, in a global survey earlier this year conducted as part of U.S. News’ annual Best Countries project, Finland was seen as the seventh-safest country among the dozens included in the survey. The Nordic nation ranked No. 20 in the Best Countries analysis overall.](https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2024-10-02/what-are-finlands-gun-laws-whats-the-border-bill-and-does-climate-change-affect-hurricanes)
Weird how in the 60s, my dad carried an m-14 target rifle to school on his bicycle handlebars 5 days a week and competitions on Saturdays… In Long Beach California..
And they never had a school shooter…
Now, “guns r bad mkay” and .. shits going the wrong direction
It’s not the guns, it’s the kids being raised improperly with no respect for human life
Why did the number of school shootings dramatically increase after 1999 specifically? Everyone is quick to blame guns or mental health but clearly there is something deeper going on here. Why wasn’t this as big of a problem in the 80s or 90s?
Land of the Free, Home of the Brave.
USA NUMBER ONE !!! ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐ฆ ๐ฆ
Obvious, isn’t it? Full-blown decline of civilized society.
Rugged individualism + Massive gun access + crumbling to non existent support systems + loss of a sense of a possibility of a future with having so fuck it all.
You know, I really donโt appreciate when a tragedy like this occurs and non-Americans ask idiotic questions like โWhat in the world is happening in usa ๐ญโ.
In no other developed country is accessing a firearm as easy as it is in the United States. Civilian access to firearms is protected by the second amendment to our constitution, making restrictions on this access at local, state, and federal levels incredibly difficult to pass.
Millions of Americans have been advocating for better gun safety laws for decades now to no avail. For you to come in here and use this as ammunition to dunk on America is not only insensitive to the victims of this recent tragedy, but also offensive to the many who have been pushing to pass laws that will prevent this in the future.
Honestly I donโt know what I expect from this absolute dumpster fire of a subreddit.
“Yeah, well at least we’re not gay! …..School shootings are a problem though. We should probably fix that.”
Lack of gun control and lack of accessible healthcare/mental health services, normalization of violence, polarization in politics, etc etc etc etc
An incorrect usage of the word โschool shootingsโ. More likely to be struck by lightning than be a victim of school shootings.
When shooters move on from school to to more CEOs, then youโll see all shootings rapidly drop.
Literally having a conversation about this in another thread. It does not help that the 288 number is complete bullshit as is the number brought up from *that* website every single year.
Columbine/Parkland style school shootings aren’t nearly that common. Neither are mass shootings from that *other* website. Believe it or not a man having a suicide crisis in his home that happens to be near a school zone isn’t a school shooting, but you wouldn’t know that by the media and propagandists just picking the big number.
The US has a mental health problem, cause all the apps that kids couldโve been on have been shut down, forcing kids who have underdeveloped brains to view stuff that adults should be viewing, which in turn causes kids to be more concerned with how they look, and how much social media clout they have.
Also I am willing to say that certain laws pertaining to the ability to get a firearm should be changed, like having mandatory background checks, a clean bill of health(both physical, AND mental), as well as the buyer not being able to get said firearm for atleast 3 days, but no more than a 30 day wait time.
Weโre number one!!
Not that it compares but russia should be up there, they have Nine since 2009
Do any of those countries have an attitude of I must step on others to buy fancy things?
Late Stage Capitalism + guns = bad
There were 39 deaths that resulted from School shootings in USA this year so far.
Do you know how many people get killed in UK schools by knife crime this year? 48โฆ this is due to gang culture in mostly Birmingham and London.
If you count that for per capita UK is doing far worse in school safety and school pupil safety than USA. Majority of these shootings in USA occur in โgun free zonesโ because the perpetrators are aware their targeted victims cannot protect themselves.
Here in London there is a shooting every week , I know people arenโt aware because it doesnโt make national news but itโs seriously that bad. 1 female has been killed and 2 males have been injured this week from a shooting , in the summer a 17yo boy shot a 15yo girl coming home from school over some feudal incident
London Jan 2024 to Aug 2024 Homicide Total: 76
2024 Gun Crime Total: 1,220
Top 5 highest Borough discharge totals:
Lambeth (116)
Brent and Hackney (68)
Haringey (58)
Newham and Southwark (39)
Lewisham (33)
2024 Knife Crime Total: 10,074
Top 5 Knife Crime with Injury Borough Totals:
Croydon (755)
Lambeth (738)
Southwark (709)
Tower Hamlets (648)
Newham (633)
Look at USA New York City for comparison the gun crime total for 2024 January to November is 558 and when accounting for population New York is still about 60% of London
Not to forget crime is historically under reported for over 20 years now in London and majority of European Capital cities (why? Maybe to fit their agenda)
[deleted]
It’s 100% cultural, for example recently; all of the people glorifying the killing of a CEO. Anytime somebody kills somebody in this country, they always have a manifesto, and everybody wants to read All about It. Americans are in love with dying and It’s absolutely disturbing.
Yes itโs weird that the philosophy now is just to arm security and teachers and make kids hide in cramped spaces and pray. Itโs wild that they donโt even understand that more guns on the school grounds will make guns easier for children to obtain. You can try a locked cabinet but teens now are hella smart. If they really want a gun they will find a way.
I was so shocked when I had to watch my first active shooter training. It was a scary training video and at one point they were like โfight the gunmanโ and Iโm sitting there like โwow, we canโt talk about gun regulation but we can ask normal citizens to be cannon fodderโ
If this is the case we should make a law that says that any brave soul who decides to fight the gunman will be taken care of for the rest of their lives and if the citizen dies protecting other people the government must send high financial assistance for the family members of the hero.
I personally donโt think that anyone should have to fight a gunman but I assure you that the government would hate paying people out and would do more to stop it
What do these other countries think of US when they see this? Land of the free?
[deleted]
Lack of mental healthcare and insane suicide rates, plus media attention
That Canada number is a lie get some real numbers. I live here and know of at least 10 still not even close but still need real numbers to look at.
The problem is healthcare for fuck’s sake. Universal motherfucking health care so that when people are having a stressful moment they can go see a therapist instead of fucking shooting up a school. Guns don’t kill people people kill people for fuck sake
This figure includes all gun discharges (purposeful and not purposeful) within a mile radius of a school. Including accidental discharges, suicides, things that don’t involve students, etc.
Last I heard the amount of fatally shot students in a school, in what most people consider a “school shooting” is around 9 people over the course of 3 shootings.
I would say a culture issue. We have tighter gun control than ever yet this issue is relatively new. We did have a few way back but was very rare now its a common occurrence.
where did they get that one school shooting for germany from? i know of at least two